Strunk And White's Writing Guide Reaches 50

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The discussion revolves around the 50th anniversary of "The Elements of Style," a writing guide by E.B. White and William Strunk Jr. Participants explore its impact on writing, the validity of its rules, and differing opinions on its effectiveness and relevance in contemporary writing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for the book's conciseness and utility in improving writing skills.
  • Others argue that the book promotes prescriptivist views that may not align with modern language use, describing it as "fossilization of language."
  • A participant references Pullum's critique, suggesting that White and Strunk's rules are outdated and that effective writing may differ from technically correct writing.
  • There is mention of the ongoing debate regarding split infinitives and other stylistic choices, with some participants defending the flexibility of language.
  • Some participants recount personal experiences with strict grammar rules taught in school, reflecting on their lasting impact.
  • One participant notes the positive reception of the book on Amazon, highlighting its popularity despite criticisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views exist regarding the book's relevance, effectiveness, and the nature of writing rules it presents.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions highlight the difference between technical correctness and effective communication, suggesting that the book's prescriptive nature may not accommodate evolving language practices.

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I heard this on NPR's Morning Edition this morning.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103140512
Morning Edition, April 16, 2009 · The Elements of Style, the definitive writing guide by E.B. White and William Strunk Jr., turns 50 on Thursday. To mark the anniversary, its publisher has released an elegantly bound, gold-embossed hardcover edition containing notes about the book's history.

In 1957, White, who wrote the children's classics Charlotte's Web and Stuart Little, rediscovered a brief guide to style by Strunk, his professor at Cornell University. White wrote an essay about it in the July 1957 issue of The New Yorker, introducing what would eventually become a bible for countless writers:

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If one wants to be a better writer, this is the book to read.
 
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Not everyone agrees http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i32/32b01501.htm
 
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Astronuc said:
If one wants to be a better writer, this is the book to read.
Never ask an artist to critique art.
 
mgb_phys said:
Not everyone agrees http://chronicle.com/free/v55/i32/32b01501.htm

The author of that article seems to be a git.

Pullum offers that White and Strunk are clueless while seemingly being clueless himself.
He points out a section of the book which says split infinitives should be avoided and states himself that this has never been the case, ignoring the fact that this has been a huge topic of debate since about the time the book was published.
He says he has no idea why the authors would advise nouns and verbs should be used preferencially over adjectives and adverbs. It is a common and basic bit of writing advice that one should "show", as opposed to "tell", their reader what one wishes to convey.
Pullum chastizes White and Strunk for breaking their own rules and cites examples where it seems pretty obvious that the rules were ignored purposefully (and perhaps instructively). Pullum it seems would be the type to testily correct Churchill's quote "Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put."

In the end the article simply seems to completely miss the point that there is a difference between technically correct writing and effective writing. There is quite a lot of opinion about what constitutes "effective". The only real complaint that he may have is that White and Strunk are apparently rather bossy in their opinion of what is and is not effective.
 
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That's what I thought - the whole point of English is that you can split infinitives, make up words and bend the rules.
 
To blithely split!
 
This book is surprisingly useful for how concise it is.

I would recommend it.
 
TheStatutoryApe said:
Pullum chastizes White and Strunk for breaking their own rules and cites examples where it seems pretty obvious that the rules were ignored purposefully (and perhaps instructively).

30 years later I still remember them saying to "avoid cliches like the plague". LOL
 
Amazon has over 300 reviews and they are all positive.

After reading those reviews, I picked it up today.
 
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I'm not a fan. I appreciate the need for good writing -- I paid for a very small part of my college through editing -- but this is more the fossilization of language than anything else. Prescriptivist nonsense at its more pervasive, if not worst.
 
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CRGreathouse said:
I'm not a fan. I appreciate the need for good writing -- I paid for a very small part of my college through editing -- but this is more the fossilization of language than anything else. Prescriptivist nonsense at its more pervasive, if not worst.

are you saying it's a guide for non-creative writing? technical non-technical writing, perhaps?
 
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My 10th grade English teacher, Mrs. Ford, was adamant about her students not ending a sentence with a preposition. That's one rule that has definitely stayed with me.
 
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Astronuc said:
My 10th grade English teacher, Mrs. Ford, was adamant about her students not ending a sentence with a preposition. That's one rule that has definitely stayed with me.

Patron: "Can you tell me which shelf the books about butterflies are on?"

Librarian: "Never end a sentence with a preposition!"

Patron: "OK, can you tell me which shelf the books about butterflies are on, @#&^%$?"