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The discussion revolves around a problem involving arrangements of numbers in a list, specifically focusing on the placement of the number 1 and the implications of its position on the arrangement of other numbers. Participants seek hints and explore the conditions under which certain numbers can appear in the list.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the possibility of two of the $a_i$'s being equal.
  • One participant asserts that the answer to the problem is (b) 512, but does not provide justification for this claim.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding the placement of the number 1 in the list, suggesting that if 1 is in the first position, there is only one arrangement possible.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of placing 1 at different positions in the list, leading to a recursive reasoning about the arrangement of preceding numbers.
  • It is proposed that the total number of arrangements can be calculated based on the position of 1, with a formula suggesting that the total arrangements equal 512.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the proposed answer or the conditions of the problem. Multiple viewpoints and interpretations of the problem remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the arrangement criteria and the implications of number positions, which are not fully resolved. The mathematical steps leading to the conclusion of 512 arrangements are presented but not universally accepted.

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I have been working on this problem for a while and I am stuck,
Can I get some hints pls?

Thanks.
 

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veronica1999 said:
I have been working on this problem for a while and I am stuck,
Can I get some hints pls?

Thanks.
Can two of the $a_i's$ be equal?
 
I don't think so because the answer is (b) 512.
 
veronica1999 said:
I have been working on this problem for a while and I am stuck,
Can I get some hints pls?

Thanks.

Hi veronica1999, :)

The number 1 should appear somewhere in the list. If 1 is the first number on the list, the list can only be written in one particular way under the given criteria. That is, \((1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)\).

Suppose 1 appear at the \(k^{\mbox{th}}\) position of the list where \(k\neq 1\). Then 2 should precede 1. If 2 is not the 1st number, 3 should precede 2 and so on. Further suppose that \(n\) is the 1st number on the list and \(m\) be the maximum number that precedes 1. If \(m\) is not in the first position of the list(that is \(n\neq m\)) then \(m-1\) should precede \(m\), if \(m-1\) is not in the first position \(m-2\) should precede \(m-1\) and so on. This continues until \(m-i=n\) for some \(i=1,2,\cdots,m-2\). Therefore, \(k=m\).

In other words if you have 1 at the \(k^{\mbox{th}}\) position you have all the numbers upto \(k-1\) preceding 1.

Also you can see that according to the given criteria if \(k\neq 10\) number at the \((k+1)^\mbox{th}\) position should be, \(k+1\). If \(k+1\neq 10\) then the number at the \((k+2)^\mbox{th}\) position should be \(k+2\) and so on. This continues until \(k+j=10\) for some \(j=0,2,\cdots,8\).

So we only have to count the number of arrangements that could be made by the numbers that precedes 1. This is the number of arrangements that could be made from the situation where 1 is at the \(k^\mbox{th}\) position.

Also it can be seen according to the above discussion that, 2 or \(k\) should be at the \((k-1)^\mbox{th}\) position of the list.

Case 1: If \(k\) is at the \((k-1)^\mbox{th}\) position of the list then 2 or \(k-1\) should be at the \((k-2)^\mbox{th}\) position of the list.

Case 2: If \(2\) is at the \((k-1)^\mbox{th}\) position of the list then 3 or \(k\) should be at the \((k-2)^\mbox{th}\) position of the list.

Arguing in a similar fashion we can see that, every position before the \(k^\mbox{th}\) position up to the 2nd position can have two different values. Finally the remaining number can be put into the first position.

Therefore the number of arrangements when 1 is at the \(k^\mbox{th}\) position is, \(2^{k-2}\) where \(k=2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10\).

Summary:


1) If 1is the first number on the list\((k=1)\), then the list can be arranged in one way. That is, \((1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)\).

2) There are \(2^{k-2}\) lists with 1 at the \(k^\mbox{th}\) position where \(k=2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10\).

Therefore the total Number of arrangements\( = 1+2^0+2^1+2^2+2^3+\cdots+2^8=512\)

Kind Regards,
Sudharaka.
 

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