Study groups for calculus and topology

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The discussion revolves around the formation of study groups for self-studying calculus and topology, focusing on specific textbooks. Participants express interest in discussing theoretical concepts and solving problems collaboratively.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants are studying "Book of Proof" by Hammack, "Calculus" by Spivak, and "Introduction to Topological Manifolds" by Lee.
  • One participant questions the prerequisites for joining the study group, expressing uncertainty about their math skills.
  • Another participant praises Lee's book as underrated.
  • There is a comparison between Lee's book and Loring Tu's "Introduction to Manifolds," with some participants suggesting they are of similar difficulty but covering different material.
  • Concerns are raised about the timing of the study group with the upcoming semester, leading to doubts about commitment.
  • One participant asks if Spivak's book is suitable after completing a calculus sequence, noting that previous textbooks used were not rigorous.
  • Another participant suggests that Spivak's book is a good starting point for those who have not encountered rigorous calculus before.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence regarding their preparedness for the study group, with some agreeing on the difficulty of the books while others remain uncertain about their readiness. There is no consensus on the prerequisites or the suitability of the books for all participants.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention different levels of rigor in previous calculus courses, which may influence their readiness for the proposed study materials. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and expectations regarding mathematical background.

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Individuals interested in self-studying calculus and topology, particularly those seeking collaborative learning opportunities and discussions around specific textbooks.

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Hello,

Some people on PF are currently self-studying calculus and topology. So we thought we might make a post here so that interested people could join us.

We are doing the following books:
Book of Proof by Hammack (freely available on http://www.people.vcu.edu/~rhammack/BookOfProof/)
Calculus by Spivak
Introduction to topological manifolds by Lee

The idea is to discuss theory with each other and to make problems.
Communication is currently through facebook, but there are enough chat rooms where we can talk.

If anybody is interested, feel free to PM me. Please only react if you're serious about this. If you're thinking of quitting after a week then this might not be for you.
 
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Hey,
This sounds pretty cool. However, I'm not sure if my math skills are up to par with this. What would you consider a "pre-req"? Thanks!
 
Introduction to topological manifolds by Lee

Outstanding. A sorely underrated book.
 
What is the level of Introduction to topological manifolds by Lee like compared to Loring Tu's Introduction to manifolds?
 
zapz said:
Hey,
This sounds pretty cool. However, I'm not sure if my math skills are up to par with this. What would you consider a "pre-req"? Thanks!

I guess that everybody can do the proofs book. It's not very hard.
To do Spivak, I suggest that you already know at least calculus I. So if you had calculus in high school, then you should be fine. You should be comfortable with continuity and derivatives (not necessarily with epsilon delta's, although that would be nice).

For the Lee book, you should be comfortable with a Spivak level book. You should know continuity and sequences very well and rigorously. You don't need to know metric spaces, although that would be nice.
 
genericusrnme said:
What is the level of Introduction to topological manifolds by Lee like compared to Loring Tu's Introduction to manifolds?

I would say that they're about the same level. But Lee only covers topological manifolds, whereas Tu goes into differentiable structures.
The idea of Lee is to give a basis to later go on to his smooth manifolds book and his Riemannian manifolds.

The three books together cover way more ground than Tu. But Tu goes into smoothness faster.
 
Wish I had seen this at the beginning of Summer, really wanted to do something like this, but now with the semester starting in a few weeks I feel like I'll quit too fast due to classes to make it worth it. Quick aside: is Spivak's book worth getting into having finished an entire calculus sequence already? We used Stewart for 1-2, Rogawski for 3, and then Boyce/DiPrima for Diff EQ (Its normally considered Calc 4 I've heard?). None of those seemed remotely rigorous though.
 
micromass said:
I would say that they're about the same level. But Lee only covers topological manifolds, whereas Tu goes into differentiable structures.
The idea of Lee is to give a basis to later go on to his smooth manifolds book and his Riemannian manifolds.

The three books together cover way more ground than Tu. But Tu goes into smoothness faster.

In that case I'll have to give this study group a miss since I'm just finishing Tus book right now.
I may be interested in future study groups however so I'll keep an eye out :smile:

ADCooper said:
Wish I had seen this at the beginning of Summer, really wanted to do something like this, but now with the semester starting in a few weeks I feel like I'll quit too fast due to classes to make it worth it. Quick aside: is Spivak's book worth getting into having finished an entire calculus sequence already? We used Stewart for 1-2, Rogawski for 3, and then Boyce/DiPrima for Diff EQ (Its normally considered Calc 4 I've heard?). None of those seemed remotely rigorous though.
Spivak will get you ready for analysis-y material, if you haven't done any rigorous calculus yet, spivak is a good place to start!
 

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