SU(2) and su(2) have different dimensions?

In summary, the Lie group SU(2) is the set of unitary 2x2 matrices with determinant 1. These matrices can be written a* - b* where a* and b* are the real and imaginary parts of a and b, respectively. As a manifold, we can think of a coordinate chart consisting of the four real numbers making up the two complex numbers a and b. The dimension of SU(2) is 3, but su(2) is also supposed to be the tangent space of the identity element of SU(2). This means that the dimension of the tangent space at any point should be equal to the manifold dimension, but this is not always the case.
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pellman
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The Lie group SU(2) is the set of unitary 2x2 matrices with determinant 1.
These matrices can be written

a b
-b* a*

Thus, as a manifold, we can think of a coordinate chart consisting of the four real numbers making up the two complex numbers a and b. It is a manifold of dimension 4.

The Lie algebra su(2) is the set of 2x2 matrices of the form

ic d+if
-d+if -ic

where here c, d, f are real numbers. Thus the dimension of su(2) is 3.

But su(2) is also supposed to be the tangent space of the identity element of SU(2). Shouldn't the tangent space of a manifold at any point have the same dimension as the manifold?

Either my identification of the dimension of SU(2) or su(2) is wrong, or my claim that the tangent space dimension is always equal to the manifold dimension is wrong. Which is it?
 
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pellman said:
The Lie group SU(2) is the set of unitary 2x2 matrices with determinant 1.
These matrices can be written

a b
-b* a*

Thus, as a manifold, we can think of a coordinate chart consisting of the four real numbers making up the two complex numbers a and b. It is a manifold of dimension 4.
No, the condition on the determinant reduces it by another dimension:
##|a|^2 + |b|^2 = 1##
The Lie algebra su(2) is the set of 2x2 matrices of the form

ic d+if
-d+if -ic

where here c, d, f are real numbers. Thus the dimension of su(2) is 3.
But su(2) is also supposed to be the tangent space of the identity element of SU(2). Shouldn't the tangent space of a manifold at any point have the same dimension as the manifold?

Either my identification of the dimension of SU(2) or su(2) is wrong,
Yes.
or my claim that the tangent space dimension is always equal to the manifold dimension is wrong. Which is it?
Manifold and tangent space are of the same dimension.
 
  • #3
fresh_42 said:
No, the condition on the determinant reduces it by another dimension:
##|a|^2 + |b|^2 = 1##

D'oh! I knew that. Thanks!
 

1. What is the difference between SU(2) and su(2)?

SU(2) and su(2) are both mathematical notations used to represent symmetries in a physical system. SU(2) refers to the special unitary group of 2x2 complex matrices, while su(2) refers to the Lie algebra associated with SU(2). In simpler terms, SU(2) is a group while su(2) is its corresponding algebra.

2. Why do SU(2) and su(2) have different dimensions?

The dimension of a group is defined as the number of independent parameters needed to uniquely describe an element of that group. SU(2) is a 3-dimensional group as it can be represented by a 3x3 matrix with 3 independent parameters, while su(2) is a 3-dimensional algebra as it can be represented by a 3x3 matrix with 3 independent entries.

3. Can SU(2) and su(2) be used interchangeably?

No, SU(2) and su(2) are not interchangeable as they represent different mathematical objects. While SU(2) is a group, su(2) is an algebra. They have different properties and are used for different purposes in mathematical and physical contexts.

4. What are the applications of SU(2) and su(2) in science?

SU(2) and su(2) have various applications in science, particularly in the fields of physics and mathematics. They are used in quantum mechanics, particle physics, and symmetry breaking theories. In mathematics, they are used to study Lie groups, Lie algebras, and representation theory.

5. Are there higher dimensional versions of SU(2) and su(2)?

Yes, there are higher dimensional versions of SU(2) and su(2). SU(n) refers to the special unitary group of nxn complex matrices, while su(n) refers to the corresponding Lie algebra. These higher dimensional versions have similar properties and applications as SU(2) and su(2), but with a larger number of dimensions.

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