##SU(2)## generators in ##1##, ##2## and ##3## dimensions

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The discussion centers on the generators of the ##{\bf su}(2)## Lie algebra in different dimensions, specifically focusing on their definitions and representations in ##1##, ##2##, and ##3## dimensions. Participants explore the derivation of these generators and their properties within the context of group theory and representation theory.

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  • One participant defines the generators of the ##{\bf su}(2)## Lie algebra in ##2## and ##3## dimensions, providing explicit matrix forms for the generators in these dimensions.
  • Another participant suggests deriving the generators in ##2## and ##3## dimensions by constructing a basis for the tensor product space and checking how the representations act on this basis.
  • A participant notes that all ##1x1## matrices commute, implying that the generators in ##1## dimension could be trivial.
  • There is a suggestion that the matrices for the one-dimensional representation might all be equal to zero, which is confirmed by another participant who states it is the trivial representation.
  • Discussion arises regarding the nature of the trivial representation, with a participant questioning whether it is non-faithful because all elements of ##SU(2)## map to the same element.
  • Another participant points out that the three-dimensional representation is also not faithful, as it maps ##A## and ##-A## to the same matrix, but clarifies that it is not trivial.
  • A correction is made regarding the third generator in the three-dimensional representation, indicating it should not be the identity matrix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the nature of the trivial representation in ##1## dimension, but there are differing views on the properties of the three-dimensional representation and the specifics of the generators, leading to unresolved points regarding their definitions.

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Some assumptions about the representations and their properties remain unexamined, particularly regarding the implications of non-faithfulness and the specific forms of the generators in higher dimensions.

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The ##{\bf su}(2)## Lie algebra in a representation ##\bf R## is defined by

##[T^{a}_{\bf R},T^{b}_{\bf R}]=i\epsilon^{abc}T^{c}_{\bf R},##

where ##T^{a}_{\bf R}## are the ##3## generators of the algebra.

In ##2## dimensions, these generators are the Pauli matrices

##T^{1}_{\bf 1} = \frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}0 & 1\\ 1 & 0 \end{pmatrix}, \qquad T^{2}_{\bf 1} = \frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}0 & -i\\ i & 0 \end{pmatrix}, \qquad
T^{3}_{\bf 1} = \frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}1 & 0\\ 0 & -1 \end{pmatrix}.##

In ##3## dimensions, these generators are

##T^{1}_{\bf 2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\begin{pmatrix}0 & 1 & 0\\ 1 & 0 & 1\\ 0 & 1 & 0 \end{pmatrix}, \qquad T^{2}_{\bf 2} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\begin{pmatrix}0 & -i & 0\\ i & 0 & -i\\ 0 & i & 0 \end{pmatrix}, \qquad
T^{3}_{\bf 2} = \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 1 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix}.##

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1. How can you derive the generators in ##2## and ##3## dimensions?

2. What are the generators in ##1## dimension?
 
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1. The two-dimensional representation is the fundamental representation. You can find out what the matrices J in its Lie algebra are by writing ##e^{-itJ}## and requiring that this matrix is part of SU(2). This will give you a set of matrices of which you can pick a basis.

For the three-dimensional irrep, it is the symmetric part of the tensor product representation. You can construct the generators explicitly by constructing a basis for the tensor product space and checking how the representations act on this basis.

2. I will give you a hint: All 1x1 matrices commute so [A,B]=0 for any A and B.
 
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2. I will give you a hint: All 1x1 matrices commute so [A,B]=0 for any A and B.

So, are the matrices all equal to (0) for the one-dimensional representation?
 
spaghetti3451 said:
So, are the matrices all equal to (0) for the one-dimensional representation?
Yes. It is the trivial representation.
 
It is also called non-faithful. Is this because every element of ##SU(2)## is being mapped to the same element, that is, ##1##?
 
The three-dimensional representation is not faithful either - but it is not trivial. It maps ##A## and ##-A## to the same matrix.

The trivial representation by definition maps all group elements to the identity.

Also, you have a mistake it the third three-dimensional generator above - it should not be the identity.
 
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