Unitary Matrix Representation for SU(2) Group: Derivation and Verification

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The discussion revolves around the matrix representation of the SU(2) group, specifically focusing on the derivation and verification of its unitary matrix form. Participants explore the properties of complex 2x2 matrices with unit determinant, questioning the implications of unitarity and the general form of such matrices.

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  • One participant presents the matrix representation of SU(2) and derives it based on unitarity and determinant conditions, questioning if all complex 2x2 matrices with unit determinant are necessarily unitary.
  • Another participant notes that having equal determinants does not imply the matrices are equal, suggesting a flaw in the initial argument.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the most general form of a complex 2x2 matrix with unit determinant, initially assuming it to be the SU(2) representation but later questioning this assumption.
  • Another participant proposes a general form of a complex 2x2 matrix with unit determinant, stating it can be represented as a matrix with arbitrary complex entries as long as the determinant condition is satisfied.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether all complex 2x2 matrices with unit determinant are unitary. There are competing views regarding the general form of such matrices, with some suggesting it aligns with the SU(2) representation while others propose a broader interpretation.

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The discussion highlights the need for clarity regarding the definitions and properties of unitary matrices and their relation to the SU(2) group, as well as the implications of determinant conditions on matrix equality.

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The matrix representation ##U## for the group ##SU(2)## is given by

##U = \begin{bmatrix}
\alpha & -\beta^{*} \\
\beta & \alpha^{*} \\
\end{bmatrix}##

where ##\alpha## and ##\beta## are complex numbers and ##|\alpha|^{2}+|\beta|^{2}=1##.

This can be derived using the unitary of ##U## and the fact that ##\text{det}\ U=1##.Is any complex ##2\times 2## matrix with unit determinant necessarily unitary?Consider the following argument:

##\text{det}\ (U) = 1##
##(\text{det}\ U)(\text{det}\ U) = 1##
##(\text{det}\ U^{\dagger})(\text{det}\ U) = 1##
##\text{det}\ (U^{\dagger}U) = 1##
##\text{det}\ (U^{\dagger}U) = \text{det}\ (U)##
##U^{\dagger}U = U##
##U^{\dagger}= 1##

Where's my mistake in this argument?
 
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##\det(A) = \det(B)## does not imply ##A=B##.
 
Thanks!

I was wondering what is the most general form of the complex ##2 \times 2 ## matrix with unit determinant.

My first hunch was that it is the ##2\times 2## matrix representation of the ##SU(2)## group, but then, a complex ##2 \times 2 ## matrix with unit determinant is not necessarily ##SU(2)##.

Can you help me with finding the most general form of the complex ##2 \times 2 ## matrix with unit determinant?
 
failexam said:
Can you help me with finding the most general form of the complex 2×22×22 \times 2 matrix with unit determinant?
I don't think there's anything special about it. As far as I know, it's just:
$$U= \begin{bmatrix} a & b \\ c & d \\ \end{bmatrix}$$
where ##a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{C}## and ##ad-bc = 1##.
 
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