SU(2) as a normal subgroup of SL(2, C)

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the groups SU(2) and SL(2, C), particularly whether SU(2) can be considered a normal or characteristic subgroup of SL(2, C) when these groups act on hyperbolic space H3 and the Riemann sphere. The conversation explores both group actions and Lie algebra representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that SU(2) matrices act isometrically on the Riemann sphere and questions if this implies SU(2) is a normal subgroup of SL(2, C) when acting on H3.
  • Another participant provides context, noting that in the case of acting on Rn, the only normal subgroup of SL(2, C) is {+/-I}.
  • A different participant suggests examining the problem through Lie algebras, defining a normal subgroup in terms of Lie algebras and proposing that SU(2) could be an ideal of the algebra SL(2, C).
  • This participant also presents a suspicion that SL(2, C) may not have nontrivial ideals, implying that SU(2) is not a normal subgroup.
  • Another reply emphasizes that the global structure of Lie groups is not uniquely determined by their Lie algebras, particularly noting that SL(2, C) is complex.

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Participants express differing views on whether SU(2) is a normal subgroup of SL(2, C). There is no consensus reached, and multiple competing perspectives are presented regarding the implications of group actions and Lie algebra structures.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves complex relationships between group actions and their corresponding Lie algebras, with some participants noting limitations in the applicability of Lie algebra results to the global structure of the groups involved.

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SU(2) matrices act isometrically on the Riemann sphere with the chordal metric. At the same time the group of automorphisms of the Riemann sphere is isomorphic to the group SL(2, C) of isometries of H 3(hyperbolic space) i.e. every orientation-preserving isometry of H 3 gives rise to a Möbius transformation on the Riemann sphere and viceversa.
Does this make SU(2) a normal(or even characteristic) subgroup of SL(2, C) when acting on H 3 with the chordal metric in its conformal boundary(Riemann sphere) ?
 
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Maybe giving some more context to my question would help getting replies.
I'm referring always to the special case of the groups acting on H3 or CP1, I'm aware than when acting on Rn the only normal subgroup of SL(2, C) is {+/-I}.
 
It may be easier to do it with Lie algebras. Let's see how a normal subgroup translates into Lie algebras. Here's the definition of a normal subgroup. H is a normal subgroup of G if for every g in G and h in H, g.h.g-1 is also in H. Furthermore, the g.h.g-1 values are all of H.

If G and H are Lie groups, we can go to Lie algebras. g = 1 + ε*L + ..., h = 1 + ε*M + ... where L and M are members of algebras A and B. Turning normal-subgroupishness into algebra language, B is a subalgebra of A and for all L in A and M in B, [L,M] is in B and spans B. Or for short, [A,B] = B. Thus, B is an ideal of A.

So we have to find some ideal of the algebra SL(2,C) that is isomorphic to the algebra SU(2). They are all real combinations of these basis sets, where the σ's are Pauli matrices:
SU(2): {i*σx, i*σy, i*σz}
SL(2,C): {σx, σy, σz, i*σx, i*σy, i*σz}

I suspect that SL(2,C) has no nontrivial ideals, and thus that SU(2) is not a normal subgroup of SL(2,C).
 
lpetrich said:
It may be easier to do it with Lie algebras...
Yes but Lie groups global structure is in general not uniquely determined by their Lie algebras, except for some cases like the simply connected real groups Lie algebras, SL(2, C) is complex.
 

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