Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the decomposition of the SU(3) defining representation under the SU(2) x U(1) subgroup, exploring the methods and reasoning behind this process. Participants engage with theoretical concepts related to group theory in particle physics.
Discussion Character
- Technical explanation
- Conceptual clarification
- Debate/contested
Main Points Raised
- One participant references Georgi's book, noting that the SU(3) defining representation decomposes into an SU(2) doublet with hypercharge (1/3) and a singlet with hypercharge (-2/3), expressing confusion about the reasoning behind this.
- Another participant asks if the original poster is familiar with splitting representations into irreducible representations.
- A participant explains that decomposition can be achieved by transforming to block diagonal form or using tensor products and Young tableaux methods.
- It is noted that the defining representation of SU(3) is not irreducible under SU(2)xU(1) but can still be represented, suggesting that decomposing it into irreducible representations will yield the desired results.
- A hint is provided to consider a basis where SU(2) is generated by specific Gell-Mann matrices and U(1) by another, to aid in understanding the decomposition.
- Another participant requests further details on the choice of the SU(2)xU(1) basis and seeks additional reading materials beyond Georgi's book.
- A suggestion is made that familiarity with the Pauli matrices of SU(2) can clarify the generation of the subgroup, with a reference to Tinkham's book as a potential resource.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express varying levels of understanding and familiarity with the decomposition process, and while some methods are discussed, there is no consensus on the reasoning or the choice of basis for the decomposition.
Contextual Notes
Participants mention different methods for decomposition, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the specifics of the representations and the mathematical steps involved in the process.