Subspace of A and a matrix formed by row operation

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Ali Asadullah
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Matrix Row Subspace
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between a matrix A and a matrix A' formed by applying an elementary row operation to A, specifically regarding whether they span the same subspace. Participants explore the implications of this transformation on the column space of the matrices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the subspace formed by matrices A and A' is the same or different after an elementary row operation is applied to A.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by matrices "forming" a subspace, suggesting a focus on the span of the matrices in the context of M_{mxn}.
  • A clarification is made regarding the terminology, specifying that the discussion is about the subspace spanned by matrices A and A'.
  • A participant asks for clarification on what the comparison is against when questioning if the subspaces are different.
  • One participant asserts that the column spaces of A and A' (Col A and Col A') should be considered, questioning if they are equal.
  • A later reply suggests examining small examples of matrices to investigate the truth of the statement, especially since the validity is uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the relationship between the column spaces of A and A' and whether they are the same or different. There is no consensus on the matter, and multiple viewpoints are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific examples or counterexamples provided in the discussion, which may affect the understanding of the relationship between the matrices and their respective subspaces.

Ali Asadullah
Messages
99
Reaction score
0
The subspace formed by matrix A and A' will be same or different if A' is obtained by applying an elementary row operation on A?
Please prove it.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
In what sense does a matrix or two matrices "form" a subspace?

Are you referring to the subspace of [itex]M_{mxn}[/itex] of m by n matrics spanned by two such matrices?
 
Sorry sir i used wrong word.
i meant spanned by two matrices A and A'.
 
Different compared to what? If you apply a different elementary row operation?
 
I mean sir Col A = Col A'
Is it true or not.
 
Hah, now that that's cleared up.

What have you tried so far? It might be a good idea to look at a couple of small examples (2x2 or 2x3 matrices) just to see what's going on (especially because you don't know if the statement is true, so you might find a counterexample)
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K