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The discussion revolves around the concept of subspaces in linear algebra, specifically referencing examples from "Linear Algebra Done Right." Participants explore the conditions under which certain sets qualify as subspaces, focusing on the implications of specific parameters like b in a vector space and the characteristics of polynomial spaces.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about why the parameter b must equal 0 for the set {(x1,x2,x3,x4) ∈ F4 : x3 = 5x4 + b} to be a subspace of F4.
  • One participant notes that a subspace must contain the zero vector, leading to the conclusion that b must be 0 for the zero vector to be included in the set.
  • There is a question regarding the significance of the condition p(3) = 0 for the set {p ∈ P(F) : p(3) = 0} being a subspace of P(F), with some participants suggesting that this indicates x = 3 is a root of the polynomial.
  • Another participant discusses the properties of polynomial spaces, noting that the sum and scalar multiples of polynomials satisfying p(3) = 0 also satisfy this condition, indicating that this set forms a subspace.
  • Participants highlight the educational value of using polynomial spaces as examples of vector spaces, emphasizing that they illustrate the concept of vector spaces beyond physical quantities.
  • One participant mentions that subspaces are defined as flat sets passing through the origin, with specific conditions on the degrees of the polynomials involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express confusion about the conditions for subspaces, particularly regarding the role of b and the implications of polynomial roots. There is no consensus on the significance of these examples or the definitions provided, indicating multiple competing views and unresolved questions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the need for a subspace to contain the zero vector and discuss the implications of polynomial operations, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and properties of the sets being discussed.

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Just started working through "Linear Algebra Done Right". There is something I don't understand.

Given b ∈ F, then
{(x1,x2,x3,x4) ∈ F4 : x3 = 5x4 + b}
is a subspace of F4 *if and only if* b=0

I just flat out don't understand why b has to be 0 or even what is the point of bringing this up.

and right below that is:
{p ∈ P(F) : p(3) = 0}
is a subspace of P(F).

P(F) refers to the polynomial space. F is the set of fields and it contains C (complex numbers) and R (real numbers).

Again, what is the point of bringing this up and how do we know that p is a subspace of P(F) based off of the information given?
 
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gibberingmouther said:
Just started working through "Linear Algebra Done Right". There is something I don't understand.

Given b ∈ F, then
{(x1,x2,x3,x4) ∈ F4 : x3 = 5x4 + b}
is a subspace of F4 *if and only if* b=0

I just flat out don't understand why b has to be 0 or even what is the point of bringing this up.

and right below that is:
{p ∈ P(F) : p(3) = 0}
is a subspace of P(F).

P(F) refers to the polynomial space. F is the set of fields and it contains C (complex numbers) and R (real numbers).

Again, what is the point of bringing this up and how do we know that p is a subspace of P(F) based off of the information given?
A subspace is itself a vector space again. Therefore it needs to contain ##0##. But ##0=(0,0,0,0) \in \{\,(x_1,x_2,x_3,x_4)\in \mathbb{F}^4\,;\,x_3=5x_4+b\,\}## if and only if ##b=0\,.##

I haven't looked it up, but I'm sure ##\mathbb{F}## stands for some field, not all fields, so ##\mathbb{F}\in \{\,\mathbb{R},\mathbb{C}\,\}## or (later on) any other field.
 
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gibberingmouther said:
Again, what is the point of bringing this up and how do we know that p is a subspace of P(F) based off of the information given?

Apparently "p(3) =0" indicates that x = 3 is a root of the polynomial. The sum of two such polynomials is a polynomial that satisfies that property and a scalar multiple of such a polynomial is a polynomial that satisfies that property.

From a didactic point of view, vector spaces defined as a set of polynomials are an important example because they provide an illustration that vector doesn't have to denote a physical quantity "with magnitude and direction". Presumably, students are already familiar with polynomials.

The set of polynomials (in one "indeterminate" x, with the usual definitions of "+" as an operation on polynomials and multiplication by a number as scalar multiplication ) is a good example of an infinite dimensional vector space.

The set of polynomials that have the root x = 3 is a good example of an infinite dimensional subspace.

The set of polynomials of degree at most 3 is a good example of a finite dimensional subspace.

The fact we can multiply two polynomials (by the usual definition of how to do so) illustrates that it may be possible to define operations other than "+" on two vectors. On the other hand, the axioms for a vector space do not define such operations. So some examples of vector spaces are "more than a vector space".
 
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subspaces are flat sets that pass through the origin. being flat means all exponents in the equation have degree ≤ 1 (and at least one exponent is = 1), and passing through the origin means all exponents are equal to 1, i.e. no non zero constant term.
 
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