Suicide substrate and kinetics

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The discussion revolves around the kinetics of a suicide substrate in enzyme reactions, specifically focusing on the formation of a covalent enzyme-substrate complex that leads to enzyme inactivation. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of this process using Michaelis-Menten kinetics and the steady state approximation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the reaction scheme involving an enzyme (E), substrate (S), enzyme-substrate complex (ES), and dead enzyme (ED), outlining the kinetics involved.
  • Another participant confirms the initial rate equations for d[ES]/dt and d[ED]/dt as correct and suggests that the steady state approximation should be applied to derive further expressions.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about their derivation and seeks validation on their approach to expressing d[ED]/dt in terms of [ET], [ED], k1, k-1, k2, and [S].
  • One participant notes the assumption of negligible change in ES under the steady state condition and attempts to relate [ES] to [ET] and [ED].
  • Another participant acknowledges the correctness of the derived relationship and encourages combining it with the equation for d[ED]/dt.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the initial rate equations and the application of the steady state approximation, but there remains uncertainty regarding the specific derivations and expressions for d[ED]/dt.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the steady state approximation and the need for further clarification on the relationship between [ES], [E], and [ET] in the context of the reaction kinetics.

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Suicide substrate. An Enzyme, E reacts with a substrate S to form an enzyme substrate-complex, ES is usual for Michaelis-Menten kinetics. However, the substrate in the enzyme-substrate complex chemically reacts with the enzyme to form a permanent covalent complex at the enzyme active site. The enzyme then becomes ED (dead enzyme). ED is no longer active and it does not turn over.

The reaction shceme is

E+S--> (k1) and <--- (k-1) ES---> (k2) ED

In this case [ET] -[ED]=[E] +[ES], where [ET] is the initial starting concentration of enzyme, [ED] is the concentration of dead enzyme,and [E] and [ES] are the concentration of viable enzyme that are respectively free and substrate bound.

Using the steady state approximation for [ES], as you would in the usual Michaelis-Menten scheme, derive an expression for the rate of creation of [ED]. That is, find d[ED]/dt. (Hint, your expression will contain the term {[ET]-[ED]} instead of the usual [ET]. Your expression also contains k1, k-1, k2)

I doubt I'm right on this...

d[ES]/dt = k1[E] - [ES](k-1 + k2)

d[ED]/dt = k2 [ES]

= k1([ET]-[ES]) - [ES](k-1 + k2)

Am I at least on the right track? If not I have a couple ideas to alternative solutions.
 
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Zealduke said:
d[ES]/dt = k1[E] - [ES](k-1 + k2)

d[ED]/dt = k2 [ES]


These two expressions are correct and a good starting point.

= k1([ET]-[ES]) - [ES](k-1 + k2)


I'm not sure what you did to get here.

Anyway, the problem tells you to use the steady state approximation. What is the steady state approximation and what does it tell you about one of your equations?

Also, you want to write an expression for d[ED]/dt in terms of [ET], [ED], k1, k-1, k2, and . This means you need to find some way of expressing [ES] and [E] in these terms.
 
site screwed up my last post...

ok, so with steady state i can assume negligible change in ES

with ET-ED being the total enzyme I got:

([ET]-[ED]) = [ES] + [ES] ((k-1 + k2)/k1)

i hope this is a little closer than the last one.
 
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Zealduke said:
site screwed up my last post...

ok, so with steady state i can assume negligible change in ES

with ET-ED being the total enzyme I got:

([ET]-[ED]) = [ES] + [ES] ((k-1 + k2)/k1)

i hope this is a little closer than the last one.


That looks correct. Now, you just have to combine this information with your equation for d[ED]/dt.
 

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