Sum of a Miscelleneous series.

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The discussion revolves around the summation of a series involving the harmonic function f(r) = 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + ... + 1/r, specifically focusing on the expression ∑(2r+1)f(r) for r from 1 to n. Participants are exploring methods to simplify or derive this summation.

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  • Participants attempt to manipulate the summation by breaking it down into components involving rf(r) and (r+1)f(r+1). Some express confusion about the steps and seek clarification on how to proceed from their current point.

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There are various attempts to derive a solution, with some participants suggesting methods like induction and trial and error. Others are questioning the clarity of their approaches and expressing urgency due to time constraints. No consensus has been reached on a definitive method or solution.

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Some participants mention their level of mathematical understanding, indicating that the problem may be challenging for those in earlier stages of their education. There is also a reference to imposed time limits for submission, adding pressure to find a solution.

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If [itex]f(r) = 1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3}+... \frac{1}{r}[/itex] and [itex]f(0) = 0[/itex], then find [itex]\sum_{r=1}^{n}(2r+1)f(r)[/itex]

I tried the following steps but stuck at some point.

[itex]\sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)f(r)[/itex]

[itex]= \sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)[f(r+1)-\frac{1}{r+1}][/itex]

[itex]= \sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)f(r+1) - \sum_{r=1}^{n}1[/itex]

The real problem is to find [itex]\sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)f(r+1)[/itex]

Can someone please help me beyond this point by solving the above steps?

For verification, the Solution is [itex](n+1)^{2}f(n+1)-\frac{n^2+3n+2}{2}[/itex]

Thanks in Advanced!
 
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AGNuke said:
If [itex]f(r) = 1 + \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{3}+... \frac{1}{r}[/itex] and [itex]f(0) = 0[/itex], then [itex]\sum_{r=1}^{n}(2r+1)f(r)[/itex]
Then [itex]\sum_{r=1}^{n}(2r+1)f(r)[/itex] does what?
AGNuke said:
I tried the following steps but stuck at some point.

[itex]\sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)f(r)[/itex]

[itex]\Rightarrow \sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)[f(r+1)-\frac{1}{r+1}][/itex]
Don't use [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] here. Connect expressions that are equal with =.
AGNuke said:
[itex]\Rightarrow \sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)f(r+1) - \sum_{r=1}^{n}1[/itex]

The real problem is to find [itex]\Rightarrow \sum_{r=1}^{n}rf(r)+(r+1)f(r+1)[/itex]

The Solution is [itex](n+1)^{2}f(n+1)-\frac{n^2+3n+2}{2}[/itex]

Thanks in Advanced!
 
Mark44 said:
Then [itex]\sum_{r=1}^{n}(2r+1)f(r)[/itex] does what?
Fixed

Don't use [itex]\Rightarrow[/itex] here. Connect expressions that are equal with =.
Fixed
 
Anyone even with the slightest idea what to do next? I don't have much time left to submit the solution and I am also working on the solution simultaneously.

Thanks!
 
Hi AGNuke! :smile:

I do not know how to derive your solution, but you can prove it with full induction.
Would full induction satisfy the requirements?
 
It's a problem of Summation for a product of two functions of a natural number. One is quite easy but the given f(r) is quite complex to sum.

I am like in 11th grade or something, so I really don't know much about advanced mathematics.
 
I'd classify any derivation or proof as advanced mathematics.

Without it I can only recommend trial and error.
If you have multiple answers you can verify the answers by trying them for n=1 and n=2.
And if that doesn't leave one answer, try n=3.
 
That's what we call objective approach. The answer is satisfying n=1. But will it not be good if I can do the same with the proper subjective approach?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by subjective approach, but I do not see another approach that you can complete within 3 minutes.
 
  • #10
Subjective approach is pure mathematics + Some tricks based on assumptions and previous knowledge to cut down the time.

I know this question is ultra level, that's why we weren't able to solve it. But since we've got plenty of time after the paper, I was considering that I can get a proper subjective approach on papers.
 
  • #11
Well, I guess I can give you an estimation method.

We have these things called the order of a sequence or series.
For instance 2n+1 has order n, and n^2 + 3 has order n^2.
The series [itex]\sum\limits_r 2r+1[/itex] has order n^2, since it's an arithmetic progression.

Since f(r) is a diverging series, but diverges slower than r, it has order n.

With these you can determine the order of your original expression and check what the order of your answers is.
 
  • #12
Ok... Thanks for this method, but anyways, I got my answer after an hour or so of paperwork. I'll be posting it shortly to see where could I cut through steps and time. :biggrin:
 
  • #13
Here's my attempt at the question. Got my answer but still I feel it is quite unorthodox. I also want to see where can I cut short some steps.

gif.latex?f(r)=%201+\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{3}+...+\frac{1}{r};%20\sum_{r=1}^{n}(2r+1)f(r).gif


gif.latex?=\sum%20[r+(r+1)]f(r).gif


gif.latex?=\sum%20rf(r)+\sum%20(r+1)f(r).gif


gif.latex?=\sum%20rf(r)+\sum%20(r+1)\left%20[%20f(r+1)-\frac{1}{(r+1)}%20\right%20].gif


gif.latex?=\sum%20rf(r)+\sum%20(r+1)f(r+1)-\sum%201.gif


We know that
gif.latex?\sum_{r=1}^{n}1=n.gif
and expanding Ʃrf(r)+Ʃ(r+1)f(r+1), we get

gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20\left%20[%201f(1)+2f(2)+3f(3)+...gif
gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20\left%20[2f(2)+3f(3)+...gif


gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20=\left%20[%201f(1)+2f(2)+3f(3)+...gif
gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20\left%20[1f(1)+2f(2)+3f(3)+...gif


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As we can see, 1f(1) is simply equals to 1.

Expanding rf(r) so as to find something more useful.

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gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20+...+\left%20(\frac{n}{1}+\frac{n}{2}+\frac{n}{3}+%20\frac{n}{4}+...gif


If we group them properly, what we see, we see some individual series with a common denominator, and what's more, they are in AP! And taking out their sum is no issue.

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gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20=\left%20(%20\frac{1}{1}+\frac{2}{1}+\frac{3}{1}+\frac{4}{1}+...gif
gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20+\left%20(%20\frac{2}{2}+\frac{3}{2}+\frac{4}{2}+...gif
gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20+\left%20(%20\frac{3}{3}+\frac{4}{3}+...gif
gif.latex?\dpi{120}%20+...gif


Sum of AP in the first bracket is
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Sum of AP in the second bracket is
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Sum of AP in the third bracket is
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and if we continue to follow the trend, we get the sum of the last bracket as
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Here's my mischievous trick : If I consider another variable term k, which is the order of the bracket : first, second, third,..., nth bracket as k = 1, 2, 3,..., n. This forms a series of sum of sum of different APs, and the term of the main series is given by:

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By doing this dirty work, I converted the summation of seemingly-impossible-to-sum series into a nicer series. Hence,

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Using this equation into long forgotten step:

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Expanding our new summation function, we get

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(Sorry for eating out intermediate step, was too lazy to type that out)

By observation, we see
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;
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and
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By further manipulation,

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Therefore, the next step is

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Grouping common terms:

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Tada! Here comes the answer but at this cost... The thing I am asking for is How to cut short through the procedure via a better trick or a concept (not too high level, I'm only in 11th grade)

Hoping for a reply soon!
 
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  • #14
Congratulations! Looks good! :smile:

I see you've already taken the time to make it as readable as possible.
The bad news: I see no possible shortcuts.
 
  • #15
What's the use of a solution if even I can't read it.

Sorry to hear that you can't see any possible shortcuts. Anybody else?
 

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