Sum of squares of average change is less than

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving two differentiable functions, $f$ and $g$, defined on the interval $[a,b]$. Participants are tasked with demonstrating that there exists a point $x$ in the interval $(a,b)$ such that the sum of the squares of the average changes of the functions is less than or equal to the sum of the squares of their derivatives at that point. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of inequalities related to differentiable functions.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and requests assistance in proving the inequality involving the functions $f$ and $g$.
  • Another participant suggests defining a path in 2-dimensional space using the functions $h(t) = (f(t), g(t))$ to relate the distance between endpoints to the length of the path.
  • A subsequent reply reiterates the path definition and proposes that the distance between the endpoints is less than or equal to the integral of the square root of the sum of the squares of the derivatives.
  • Further, it is mentioned that for a continuous function, the integral can be bounded by the value of the function at some point multiplied by the length of the interval.
  • One participant expresses agreement with the reasoning presented in the previous post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to be exploring the problem collaboratively, with some agreement on the approach involving the path and integral, but no consensus on the correctness of the proposed steps or the final outcome of the proof.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in the inequality, leaving the proof incomplete and open to further exploration.

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Hello MHB,

I have no good ideas on how to go about solving the following:

Let $f:[a,b]\to\mathbb R$ and $g:[a,b]\to\mathbb R$ be real values functions both of which are differentiable in $(a,b)$. Show that there is an $x\in(a,b)$ such that $$\left(\frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}\right)^2+\left(\frac{g(b)-g(a)}{b-a}\right)^2\leq (f'(x))^2+(g'(x))^2$$

Please help.
 
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caffeinemachine said:
Hello MHB,

I have no good ideas on how to go about solving the following:

Let $f:[a,b]\to\mathbb R$ and $g:[a,b]\to\mathbb R$ be real values functions both of which are differentiable in $(a,b)$. Show that there is an $x\in(a,b)$ such that $$\left(\frac{f(b)-f(a)}{b-a}\right)^2+\left(\frac{g(b)-g(a)}{b-a}\right)^2\leq (f'(x))^2+(g'(x))^2$$

Please help.
Here's an idea to get you started. Define a path in 2-dimensional space by the function $h:[a,b] \to \mathbb{R}^2$ given by $h(t) = \bigl(f(t),g(t)\bigr)\ (a\leqslant t\leqslant b).$ Then the distance between the endpoints is less than (or equal to) the length of the path.
 
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Opalg said:
Here's an idea to get you started. Define a path in 2-dimensional space by the function $h:[a,b] \to \mathbb{R}^2$ given by $h(t) = \bigl(f(t),g(t)\bigr)\ (a\leqslant t\leqslant b).$ Then the distance between the endpoints is less than (or equal to) the length of the path.
Opalg said:
Here's an idea to get you started. Define a path in 2-dimensional space by the function $h:[a,b] \to \mathbb{R}^2$ given by $h(t) = \bigl(f(t),g(t)\bigr)\ (a\leqslant t\leqslant b).$ Then the distance between the endpoints is less than (or equal to) the length of the path.
So the above says that:

$\sqrt{(f(b)-f(a))^2+(g(b)-g(a))^2}\leq \displaystyle\int_a^b\left[\sqrt{(f'(x))^2+(g'(x))^2}\right]dx$. Now we use the fact that if $h:[a,b]\to\mathbb R$ is a continuous function then $\int_a^bh(x)dx\leq h(x_0)(b-a)$ for some $x_0\in (a,b)$.

Is this correct?
 
Re: Sum of squares of average change is less than ...

caffeinemachine said:
So the above says that:

$\sqrt{(f(b)-f(a))^2+(g(b)-g(a))^2}\leq \displaystyle\int_a^b\left[\sqrt{(f'(x))^2+(g'(x))^2}\right]dx$. Now we use the fact that if $h:[a,b]\to\mathbb R$ is a continuous function then $\int_a^bh(x)dx\leq h(x_0)(b-a)$ for some $x_0\in (a,b)$.

Is this correct?
That's exactly what I was thinking of. (Nod)
 

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