Summation Notation: How Do I Properly Sum Up v_iw_i with i in {x,y,z}?

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The discussion revolves around the proper use of summation notation, specifically regarding the expression \(\sum_i{v_iw_i}\) where the index \(i\) is considered to belong to the set \(\{x,y,z\}\). Participants explore the correct interpretation and notation for summing over these indices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is correct to express the sum as \(\sum_i{v_iw_i}\) with \(i \in \{x,y,z\}\) or if it should be stated as \(i = \{x,y,z\}\).
  • Another participant clarifies that the correct interpretation is to sum over each element of the set \(\{x,y,z\}\), indicating that \(\sum_{i \in \{x,y,z\}} v_i w_i\) is appropriate, while \(\sum_{i=\{x,y,z\}} v_i w_i\) leads to a non-summative expression.
  • A later reply suggests that associating an index set with the label set could enhance clarity, proposing a bijection between \(\{x,y,z\}\) and \(\{1,2,3\}\) to avoid confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the summation notation, but there is some contention regarding the best way to express the relationship between the index set and the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that conventional notation may help reduce confusion, but there is no consensus on the necessity of introducing a bijection for clarity.

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Hi

Is it correct of me to say that I want to carry out the sum
[tex] \sum_i{v_iw_i}[/tex]
where [itex]i\in\{x,y,z\}[/itex]? Or is it most correct to say that [itex]i=\{x,y,z\}[/itex]?Niles.
 
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If you have the sum
[tex]v_x w_x + v_y w_y + v_z w_z[/tex]
then you want [itex]i \in \{ x,y,z \}[/itex], which says sum over every element of the set [itex]\{x,y,z \}[/itex]. If you wrote
[tex]\sum_{i=\{x,y,z \}} v_i w_i[/tex] what you really just wrote is
[tex]v_{ \{x,y,z \}} w_{ \{x,y,z \}}[/tex]
which is strange because it's not a sum, and because indices are unlikely (but might be) sets of variables
 
Thanks, that is also what I thought was the case. I see the "i={x,y,z}"-version in all sorts of books.

Best wishes,
Niles.
 
Niles said:
Hi

Is it correct of me to say that I want to carry out the sum
[tex] \sum_i{v_iw_i}[/tex]
where [itex]i\in\{x,y,z\}[/itex]? Or is it most correct to say that [itex]i=\{x,y,z\}[/itex]?


Niles.

While one can interpret that, it would make more sense if associated an index set with your label set if you need to do this. So if instead of {x,y,z} just introduce the bijection {x,y,z} = {1,2,3} where the ith component of one set maps to the ith of the other.

This is just my opinion, but the reason is mostly conventional because its easier for everyone with a simple mathematics background to understand and causes less confusion.
 
Thanks for the help, that is kind of everybody.Niles.
 

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