Superposition experiment question?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of superposition in quantum mechanics, specifically regarding the observation of a beryllium atom in a superposed state. Participants explore how superposition can be inferred from experimental outcomes despite the challenges posed by measurement.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a beryllium atom can be placed in a superposed state with a 50/50 chance of its spin being up or down, questioning how this superposition can be detected without collapsing it through measurement.
  • Another participant suggests that the telltale sign of superposition is the ability to observe interference effects, referencing the two-slit interference pattern as a classic example.
  • A follow-up comment emphasizes that superposition itself cannot be directly observed; rather, only its effects can be seen in experimental outcomes.
  • Further discussion mentions that the Schrödinger equation can be solved to understand the evolution of the system and verify the probabilities of certain states, acknowledging that interactions can alter these probabilities over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the direct observation of superposition, with some agreeing that only the effects can be measured, while others explore the implications of measurement on superposition without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of superposition and measurement, as well as the assumptions underlying the interpretations of experimental results. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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I was reading about how scientists have been able to perform experiments and successfully managed to get a beryllium atom into a superposed state whereby the atom had a 50/50 change of having its spin as either up or down.

But how can they tell that its in a superposition as surely the act of measuring the atoms state would destroy the superposition and cause it to take 1 form or the other?

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rollcast said:
But how can they tell that its in a superposition as surely the act of measuring the atoms state would destroy the superposition and cause it to take 1 form or the other?
The telltale sign of superposition is being able to get interference between the two possibilities in some outcome. The classic example is the two-slit interference pattern, where the particles are described as being in a superposition of going through both slits.
 
Ken G said:
The telltale sign of superposition is being able to get interference between the two possibilities in some outcome. The classic example is the two-slit interference pattern, where the particles are described as being in a superposition of going through both slits.

So they never observe (not sure what the proper word should be) the superposition itself, they only see the effects of the superpostion?
 
rollcast said:
So they never observe (not sure what the proper word should be) the superposition itself, they only see the effects of the superpostion?
You can't directly observe superposition that's the mystery and why FAPP (for all practical purposes) you don't need to inquire about directly observing it, because the model fits the experimental outcomes.
 
When experiments are done, and you solve the Schrödinger equation for the evolution of the system you're interested in, along the way do the various probabilities for certain states actualising get verified (I know some interactions/forces etc can change the probabilities as the system evolves).
 

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