Surjectivity of x²+3 for Real Numbers: Testing for Surjectivity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the surjectivity of the function \( f(x) = x^2 + 3 \) for real numbers. Participants explore the general concept of surjectivity, how to test for it, and specific characteristics of the function in question.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a function is surjective if every element in the codomain \( Y \) is mapped to by at least one input in the domain \( X \).
  • It is suggested that to test for surjectivity, one should take a random \( y \in Y \) and solve for \( x \) in terms of \( y \).
  • One participant notes that \( f(x) = x^2 + 3 \) has a global minimum at \( y = 3 \), implying that values less than 3 cannot be achieved, which suggests it is not surjective.
  • There are corrections regarding the notation used in the function definition, with emphasis on proper mathematical representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the surjectivity of the function \( f(x) = x^2 + 3 \). While one participant asserts it is not surjective due to the minimum value, the discussion does not reach a consensus on the broader implications or methods of proving surjectivity.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of surjectivity and the nature of the function are not fully explored, and the discussion includes unresolved notation issues.

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is the function x²+3 surjective for real numbers. how do you test for surjectivity in general?
 
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markosheehan said:
is the function x²+3 surjective for real numbers. how do you test for surjectivity in general?

Hi markosheehan,

Welcome to MHB! :)

Let's say a function $f$ maps some $X \in \mathbb{R}$ to $Y \in \mathbb{R}$. You might write that like $f: X \rightarrow Y|X,Y \in \mathbb{R}$ or maybe just $f:R \rightarrow R$. $f$ is surjective if every element in $Y$ is mapped to by at least one input in $X$. If $Y$ is the output of the function, we need to hit every value in $Y$ in order for $f$ to be surjective.

In this example we have $f(x)=x^2+3$. If $Y$ is all real numbers, can we output to all real numbers? Are there any numbers that we cannot map to?

In general the process of proving a function is subjective when going from $R \rightarrow R$ is to take some random $y \in Y$ and solve for it in terms of $x$. Is that possible here? What happens when you try to solve for $y$?
 
Jameson said:
Let's say a function $f$ maps some $X \in \mathbb{R}$ to $Y \in \mathbb{R}$. You might write that like $f: X \rightarrow Y|X,Y \in \mathbb{R}$ or maybe just $f:R \rightarrow R$.
This should say $X\subseteq\mathbb{R}$ instead of $X\in\mathbb{R}$. Also, $R$ in $f:R \rightarrow R$ should probably be $\mathbb{R}$, just like in the first occurrence.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
This should say $X\subseteq\mathbb{R}$ instead of $X\in\mathbb{R}$. Also, $R$ in $f:R \rightarrow R$ should probably be $\mathbb{R}$, just like in the first occurrence.

Good points, thank you! Proper notation is important.

Since the OP hasn't responded I will go ahead and answer the original question. $f(x)=x^2+3$ is not surjective for real numbers as it has a global minimum at $y=3$. Any number less than 3 is not mapped to by this function.
 

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