Surviving Hurricane Katrina - My Story

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Survivors of Hurricane Katrina share their experiences, highlighting the impact of the storm, which was a Category 1 at landfall but caused significant damage, including downed trees and power lines. Many areas are flooded, and there are widespread power outages, with the power company struggling to restore electricity. The discussion emphasizes the importance of evacuating vulnerable areas as the storm intensifies, with warnings of potential Category 5 conditions. Participants express concern for those unable to evacuate due to financial or transportation issues, and the potential aftermath of the storm raises fears about the recovery process. Overall, the conversation reflects the urgency and challenges faced by those in the storm's path.
  • #121
What has been the cost of the Iraq war to date?
 
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  • #123
Ivan Seeking said:
What has been the cost of the Iraq war to date?

Officially it's 193 billion dollars the last time I heard.

They projected 87 billion dollars two and a half years ago, back when they were expecting Iraqis to welcome troops with flowers and kisses.

So I suspect the unofficial cost is a lot more than 193.

But hey, at least Halliburton is making a killing.
 
  • #124
Time to swing the other way...

Where the hell is everyone?

No help at all...I'm in Ohio currently, and the only thing I hear people say is their complaints about the damn gas prices...no consideration for those in the south. Just people worrying about the extra buck they'll pay at the pump...

My school almost always gathers donations for disasters such as this...yet there has been nothing as of yet.

The government's been quite slow on getting aid there...very slow. All Bush has to do is make a formal press statement and I'm sure he could get millions more dollars donated to the cause in the blink of an eye.

Once again, humanity never fails to disappoint me.
 
  • #125
most people misplace their hate in this world... such as the iraq case... people do not like bush, so they damn the whole iraq situation... when in fact it is a humanitarian crisis in itself, and has been for the last 2000 years... every country and community in the middle
East that does not yet have freedom should be liberated... there is no reason conscious, aware, brilliant minded human beings should live under such rule and in such conditions... i believe in evolution of species... and i believe living in war torn regions for 2000 years has it's effect on the evolution of the population of the people... and we must reverse this sometime or another. So many Americans do not understand the conditions others in this world live in... and they would rathr be selfish and take care of theirselves above others. If we want to better ourselves and seal our success and survival as humanity, someone has to step up and be a leader, even if it's not always done in exactly the right way... we are human... and we do make mistakes... and mistakes are only made when someone is trying... but eventually it will take a worldwide coming together of peoples to cure our problems... not this hatred and political B... to the S. cloaking your ideas and others under a political party is not justified... speak your mind as a human being... a caring human being of the world, not just your country.
 
  • #126
gonpost said:
All Bush has to do is make a formal press statement and I'm sure he could get millions more dollars donated to the cause in the blink of an eye.
QUOTE]

Bush has made formal press statements. He's gone on to state the obvious (New Orleans is underwater and it will take time to clean up) and that not to worry, the Colonial Pipeline is working and operating at 50% capacity.
 
  • #127
dgoodpasture2005 said:
most people misplace their hate in this world... such as the iraq case... people do not like bush, so they damn the whole iraq situation... when in fact it is a humanitarian crisis in itself, and has been for the last 2000 years... every country and community in the middle
East that does not yet have freedom should be liberated... there is no reason conscious, aware, brilliant minded human beings should live under such rule and in such conditions... i believe in evolution of species... and i believe living in war torn regions for 2000 years has it's effect on the evolution of the population of the people... and we must reverse this sometime or another. So many Americans do not understand the conditions others in this world live in... and they would rathr be selfish and take care of theirselves above others. If we want to better ourselves and seal our success and survival as humanity, someone has to step up and be a leader, even if it's not always done in exactly the right way... we are human... and we do make mistakes... and mistakes are only made when someone is trying... but eventually it will take a worldwide coming together of peoples to cure our problems... not this hatred and political B... to the S. cloaking your ideas and others under a political party is not justified... speak your mind as a human being... a caring human being of the world, not just your country.

Ahh, Social Darwinism. Yes, I suspect that's very much the reason that New Orleans is not getting the help it needs.
 
  • #128
The governer has seemed less than impressive. The other day when the flood waters started rising, the press was asking if the water is safe, what is under the water, could it be contaminated? She replied with surprise at the notion that the water could be unsafe "its just clean water" she said! The reporters clearly knew better.
 
  • #129
Ivan Seeking said:
The governer has seemed less than impressive. The other day when the flood waters started rising, the press was asking if the water is safe, what is under the water, could it be contaminated? She replied with surprise at the notion that the water could be unsafe "its just clean water" she said! The reporters clearly knew better.

Yes, I've not been particularly impressed with the Governor, although she has today seemed to be getting it together.

Mayor Nagin, on the other hand, seems to be really in the mix of things. He's making Guiliani look bad by comparison.
 
  • #130
*sigh*

I'll come back when I'm older.

I don't have time for this right now.

No, you can't know why.

Farewell.
 
  • #131
social darwinism? do you have no care, love or respect in yourself to care about other human beings who do not have it as good as you do? NO is not getting help at the moment because they were given a 7 day warning to get out of their down before the nuclear bomb landed... yet they decided to stay. Now they need help, but they loot, they shoot, they rape and they kill. How can anyone send in a rescue team if theya re being shot at? This is the exact reason places like iraq had to be liberated, how can someone let places like this exist? rape, loot, manipulation, disease, murder... do you really want the military in NO? my foresight tells me it will just make the big bad media even bigger and badder, can you imagine pictures of US soldiers in gunfights with, and murdering US citizens? Would you rather we all sit around and care about our gas prices and our oil while the rest of the world goes to craps... and when they go to craps and gain power, they bring those same traits to the throne. Do you want a murderer, a rapist, and a manipulator in power of a country full of rapists, murderers, and manipulators... if you desire these things... it is precisely why the world is becoming the way it is.
 
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  • #132
Ivan Seeking said:
Okay, here's my political comment: Just think of how many American lives could have been saved if the money poured into Iraq had been spent on securing what was already described as the worst threat facing the US.
Simple answer: none whatsoever. Building levees takes decades. As we discussed in the engineering forum, an engineering/economic compromise was made decades ago, which resulted in inadequate protection. No, Bush didn't do anything to change that, but then - neither did any other president. It isn't right to lay it all on Bush just because he was in the room when it happened.
hypatia said:
I felt sick when Bush was talking on TV, he dosen't have a clue does he? Why are they not air lifting food and water in? The people at the convention center are in life or death need!
They are airlifting food and water in!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-01-katrina_x.htm
A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.
Exactly how much, I don't know, but jeez - where are you guys getting your information from?
 
  • #133
social darwinism?

The first job of the Federal government is the security of the US. Your point is moot.
 
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russ_watters said:
Simple answer: none whatsoever. QUOTE]

Nonsense.

Utter nonsense.

This disaster at New Orleans was a real threat. They knew about it.

Iraq was no threat. They had to lie about it. They knew it.

And you know it.
 
  • #135
russ_watters said:
Simple answer: none whatsoever. Building levees takes decades. As we discussed in the engineering forum, an engineering/economic compromise was made decades ago, which resulted in inadequate protection. No, Bush didn't do anything to change that, but then - neither did any other president.

The report came out in 2001. The help was denied since. I think its pretty easy to see where Bush's priorites lie.
 
  • #136
Never mind. Mistook who you were responding to.
 
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gonpost said:
The government's been quite slow on getting aid there...very slow. All Bush has to do is make a formal press statement and I'm sure he could get millions more dollars donated to the cause in the blink of an eye.

Once again, humanity never fails to disappoint me.
I don't think you understand the magnitude of the crisis or have any idea what has actually been done so far. The article linked in the previous post says FEMA is spending half a billion dollars a day on it already. And a dollar donated in Ohio doesn't magically transform into a bottle of water in New Orleans. The logistics of making that happen are daunting, to say the least.

Again, where are you guys getting your information? It seems like you are making it up as you go along!
 
  • #138
Ivan Seeking said:
The report came out in 2001. The help was denied since. I think its pretty easy to see where Bush's priorites lie.
Come right out and say it, Ivan: say that if Bush had put that extra $10 million into the levee system that it wouldn't have failed. Say 50 years of failure to build a new levee system equal to that of The Netherlands is entirely Bush's fault. Go for it. Don't beat around the bush. Stop with the backhanded, irrelevant cheap shots and come out and blame it all on Bush if you really believe it. You too, TRCSF.

Your opinions are not based on reality. They are an irrational reaction to a traumatic situatuation. Its understandable - its human nature to look for someone to blame, but that doesn't make it ok.
 
  • #139
you all concentrate on Bush so harshly and intensely you are blinded to your own true emotions... i can no longer carry a conversation on these threads. Until you can grow up and stop cloaking your hate for Bush behind your true feelings of what the world has been becoming for the last 50 years, then we can communicate... my points are not moot, but your words are very harsh. I do not hide under terms such as social darwinism, i have no strings attatched, i speak my mind as a person of the world, and nothing else.
 
  • #140
I say its Bush's fault - he sent the military who in turn pissed off a lot of butterflies and their wing flaps in turn caused this tsunami

Is this guy joking? Is he making fun out of it??


No..
 
  • #141
dgoodpasture2005 said:
you all concentrate on Bush so harshly and intensely you are blinded to your own true emotions... i can no longer carry a conversation on these threads.
Yeah, I'm out too - this is spiraling out of control. I encourage everyone to take a step back and get ahold of their emotions. In the middle of a crisis, especially, emotions hurt more than they help.
 
  • #142
I actually haven't even watched the news regarding this.. call me fecal or call me whatever you wish - inconsiderate or just cold or whatnot.. but i just didnt care. I don't know what it is but its New Orleans and I'm in New York, and.. well yeah pretty much I just don't care anymore

Im sorry.
 
  • #143
dgoodpasture2005 said:
social darwinism? do you have no care, love or respect in yourself to care about other human beings who do not have it as good as you do? NO is not getting help at the moment because they were given a 7 day warning to get out of their down before the nuclear bomb landed... yet they decided to stay. Now they need help, but they loot, they shoot, they rape and they kill. How can anyone send in a rescue team if theya re being shot at? This is the exact reason places like iraq had to be liberated, how can someone let places like this exist? rape, loot, manipulation, disease, murder... do you really want the military in NO? my foresight tells me it will just make the big bad media even bigger and badder, can you imagine pictures of US soldiers in gunfights with, and murdering US citizens? Would you rather we all sit around and care about our gas prices and our oil while the rest of the world goes to craps... and when they go to craps and gain power, they bring those same traits to the throne. Do you want a murderer, a rapist, and a manipulator in power of a country full of rapists, murderers, and manipulators... if you desire these things... it is precisely why the world is becoming the way it is.

There are, or were, rather, ten thousand families in New Orleans who were too poor to own cars. Most of them black. How do you drive out of New Orleans if you don't own cars? There are buses in New Orleans, but they're just sitting their, flooded. Apparently nobody had the wherewithal to help people evacuate.

In addition to the poor, there are people too sick to evacuate. Doctors and nurses to help take care of the people to sick to evacuate. People who lost their livelyhood last year during the evacuation and were unable to make the risk to evacuate. Handicaped people who could not evacuate. Mentally ill who could not evacuate. Homeless who could not evacuate. Children of people who chose not to evacuate. Elderly people who could not evacuate.

To say that the people who did not evacuate deserve what is happening to them is absolutely disgusting, and anybody who makes such remarks should be ashamed of themselves.

Are they're looters? Yes. Is this exactly what happens everytime there is a natural disaster which results in total anarchy? Yes. Is it social darwinism to assume that everybody who is stranded in New Orleans is a looter, murderer, and rapist because of what happened, and therefore deserves no help? Yes. is it racism? Yes.

Sir, I'd rather let anyone of these refugees from New Orleans into my house, then somebody who sits back and let it happens because they're black.

As for Iraq, there's raping, looting, and murdering occurring not only under U.S. occupation, but by U.S. occupation, so statements claiming that the "liberation" (sic) of Iraq was a good thing is naive, at best.
 
  • #144
russ_watters said:
Come right out and say it, Ivan: say that if Bush had put that extra $10 million into the levee system that it wouldn't have failed. Say 50 years of failure to build a new levee system equal to that of The Netherlands is entirely Bush's fault. Go for it. Don't beat around the bush. Stop with the backhanded, irrelevant cheap shots and come out and blame it all on Bush if you really believe it. You too, TRCSF.

Your opinions are not based on reality. They are an irrational reaction to a traumatic situatuation. Its understandable - its human nature to look for someone to blame, but that doesn't make it ok.

I don't know if the $11 million dollars the engineers asked for would have prevented the levee break. You don't know that either.

What I do know is that those thousands of National Guard members in Iraq could be saving lives right now in NOLA. Real lives. American lives.

Americans are dying in Louisiana right now because Bush screwed up.

Come right out and say it Russ.

You know it's true. Or are you like Bush and unable to admit you made a mistake.
 
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dgoodpasture2005 said:
you all concentrate on Bush so harshly and intensely you are blinded to your own true emotions... i can no longer carry a conversation on these threads. Until you can grow up and stop cloaking your hate for Bush behind your true feelings of what the world has been becoming for the last 50 years, then we can communicate... my points are not moot, but your words are very harsh. I do not hide under terms such as social darwinism, i have no strings attatched, i speak my mind as a person of the world, and nothing else.

Social Darwinism is exactly what you described. You said that Middle Easterns are terrible people because they've been at war for 2000 years (sic) and literally that they evolved that way.

That's textbook definition of Social Darwinism, and I'll add, racism.

You're expressing similar sentiment for the people of New Orleans.

What's this business about "what the world has been becoming for the last 50 years?"

As for my feeling for Bush, they're supported by evidence. People all over the country are outraged at his incompetence and it's got nothing to do with partisan politics.

In fact, the only reason I think you're supporting him is because you voted for him, and you can't admit you're wrong.
 
  • #146
cronxeh said:
I actually haven't even watched the news regarding this.. call me fecal or call me whatever you wish - inconsiderate or just cold or whatnot.. but i just didnt care. I don't know what it is but its New Orleans and I'm in New York, and.. well yeah pretty much I just don't care anymore

Im sorry.

Well, if you don't care, that's fine with me. Apparently there's a number of people in this thread who just don't care.
 
  • #147
I'm watching O'Reilly and they interviewed someone working at a hospital saying that they can't transport anyone out of the hospital because they can't get protection. It seems there is a large crown outside the hospital waiting to hijack the ambulance.
 
  • #148
Ive read on a few forums about EMTs gathering together to go down to New Orleans on their own apparently to help out.
 
  • #149
Has someone mentioned yet one driver's refusal to abandon suitcases so others might have room to ride? Sounds Biblical.
 
  • #150
I think a levee/dike protection system could have been completed in 5-10 years. The Lake Ponchatrain barrier - about 40-50 miles should have been a priority, since it is already higher than Sea Level. I have seen 40-50 miles of interstate in Texas completed in 2-3 years (see I-290 out of Houston), and that is about the engineering effort required for the same length of levee.

Also see the new Interstate going through Texas - for more trade with Mexico.

Hurrican Andrew occurred during the first Bush administration - and concerns were raised then about New Orleans and a potential flood.

The Mississippi Flood of 1993, during the first year of Clinton's administration, (which did threaten New Orleans) also raised concerns. The necessary studies should have been completed then.

I believe the issue of flooding in New Orleans has been raised every year since then.

Neither the Clinton nor current Bush administration were sufficiently concerned to protect New Orleans, and it is certainly about politics.

Louisiana and Mississippi are both poor states. Both rely heavily on gambling in their economies. Neighboring Texas gets a lot of Federal Highway money. Guess how much I-69 will cost, and guess how much is being spent in Texas.
Interstate 69, a national highway project, will be a new 1,600-mile facility that connects Mexico, the United States and Canada.
http://www.i69corridorstudy.com/ and http://www.i69texas.org/- Bush has his priorities alright. :wink:

The war in Iraq has cost nearly $200 billion. At $10 million/mile - 50 miles of protective levee/dike would cost $500 million, and even at $100 million/mile, that is only $5 billion (probably on the high side), compared to the how ever many $billions it will cost now - and the lives lost!

The software to perform such studies has been around for years, and I know companies, which have done this type of analysis, and it could have been done within a year or less.
 
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