System of Equations: Real Number Solutions

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving real numbers, specifically two equations that relate to the variables \(a\) and \(b\). The focus is on exploring methods to derive solutions and the implications of those solutions within the context of algebraic manipulation and polynomial equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the first equation can be reduced to a fifth degree polynomial and the second to a third degree equation.
  • One participant proposes a substitution of variables \(x = a+b\) and \(y = \sqrt{ab}\) to simplify the equations, leading to a new form of the equations.
  • This participant further manipulates the equations by multiplying and adding them, ultimately deriving expressions for \(x\) and \(y\) and calculating potential values for \(a\) and \(b\).
  • Another participant acknowledges the effort and skill shown in the solution provided, expressing appreciation for the contribution.

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There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the solutions presented, as the discussion includes various approaches and manipulations without a definitive agreement on a singular solution.

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The discussion includes assumptions related to the manipulation of equations and the validity of the transformations applied, which may not be universally accepted without further verification.

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Solve in real numbers the system of equations

$(3a+b)(a+3b)\sqrt{ab}=14$

$(a+b)(a^2+14ab+b^2)=36$
 
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The first can be "reduced" to a fifth degree polynomial equation and the second to a third degree equation.
 
anemone said:
Solve in real numbers the system of equations

$(3a+b)(a+3b)\sqrt{ab}=14$

$(a+b)(a^2+14ab+b^2)=36$
[sp]Let $x = a+b$, $y = \sqrt{ab}$. Then the equations become $$ y(3x^2 + 4y^2) = 14,$$ $$x(x^2 + 12y^2) = 36.$$ Multiply the first equation by 2, so they become $$x^3 + 12xy^2 = 36,$$ $$6x^2y + 8y^3 = 28.$$ Add them to get $(x+2y)^3 = 36+28=64$, and subtract them to get $(x-2y)^3 = 36-28 = 8.$ Take the cube roots: $x+2y=4$, $x-2y=2.$ Thus $x=3$, $y=1/2$. So $a+b=3$, $ab = 1/4.$ Hence $a,b$ are the roots of the equation $\lambda^2 - 3\lambda + 1/4 = 0$, namely $\frac12(3\pm\sqrt8).$ (Clearly $a$ and $b$ are interchangeable, so those values can be taken either way round.)[/sp]
 
HallsofIvy said:
The first can be "reduced" to a fifth degree polynomial equation and the second to a third degree equation.

Hi HallsofIvy,:)

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Opalg said:
[sp]Let $x = a+b$, $y = \sqrt{ab}$. Then the equations become $$ y(3x^2 + 4y^2) = 14,$$ $$x(x^2 + 12y^2) = 36.$$ Multiply the first equation by 2, so they become $$x^3 + 12xy^2 = 36,$$ $$6x^2y + 8y^3 = 28.$$ Add them to get $(x+2y)^3 = 36+28=64$, and subtract them to get $(x-2y)^3 = 36-28 = 8.$ Take the cube roots: $x+2y=4$, $x-2y=2.$ Thus $x=3$, $y=1/2$. So $a+b=3$, $ab = 1/4.$ Hence $a,b$ are the roots of the equation $\lambda^2 - 3\lambda + 1/4 = 0$, namely $\frac12(3\pm\sqrt8).$ (Clearly $a$ and $b$ are interchangeable, so those values can be taken either way round.)[/sp]

What a nice skill and great solution, Opalg! Thanks for participating!
 

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