System of Equations: Real Number Solutions

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The discussion focuses on solving a system of equations involving real numbers, specifically the equations $(3a+b)(a+3b)\sqrt{ab}=14$ and $(a+b)(a^2+14ab+b^2)=36$. By substituting $x = a+b$ and $y = \sqrt{ab}$, the equations are transformed into $y(3x^2 + 4y^2) = 14$ and $x(x^2 + 12y^2) = 36$. The solution reveals that $a+b=3$ and $ab=1/4$, leading to the roots of the quadratic equation $\lambda^2 - 3\lambda + 1/4 = 0$, which are $\frac{1}{2}(3\pm\sqrt{8})$. This method effectively reduces the complexity of the original equations.

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Solve in real numbers the system of equations

$(3a+b)(a+3b)\sqrt{ab}=14$

$(a+b)(a^2+14ab+b^2)=36$
 
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The first can be "reduced" to a fifth degree polynomial equation and the second to a third degree equation.
 
anemone said:
Solve in real numbers the system of equations

$(3a+b)(a+3b)\sqrt{ab}=14$

$(a+b)(a^2+14ab+b^2)=36$
[sp]Let $x = a+b$, $y = \sqrt{ab}$. Then the equations become $$ y(3x^2 + 4y^2) = 14,$$ $$x(x^2 + 12y^2) = 36.$$ Multiply the first equation by 2, so they become $$x^3 + 12xy^2 = 36,$$ $$6x^2y + 8y^3 = 28.$$ Add them to get $(x+2y)^3 = 36+28=64$, and subtract them to get $(x-2y)^3 = 36-28 = 8.$ Take the cube roots: $x+2y=4$, $x-2y=2.$ Thus $x=3$, $y=1/2$. So $a+b=3$, $ab = 1/4.$ Hence $a,b$ are the roots of the equation $\lambda^2 - 3\lambda + 1/4 = 0$, namely $\frac12(3\pm\sqrt8).$ (Clearly $a$ and $b$ are interchangeable, so those values can be taken either way round.)[/sp]
 
HallsofIvy said:
The first can be "reduced" to a fifth degree polynomial equation and the second to a third degree equation.

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Opalg said:
[sp]Let $x = a+b$, $y = \sqrt{ab}$. Then the equations become $$ y(3x^2 + 4y^2) = 14,$$ $$x(x^2 + 12y^2) = 36.$$ Multiply the first equation by 2, so they become $$x^3 + 12xy^2 = 36,$$ $$6x^2y + 8y^3 = 28.$$ Add them to get $(x+2y)^3 = 36+28=64$, and subtract them to get $(x-2y)^3 = 36-28 = 8.$ Take the cube roots: $x+2y=4$, $x-2y=2.$ Thus $x=3$, $y=1/2$. So $a+b=3$, $ab = 1/4.$ Hence $a,b$ are the roots of the equation $\lambda^2 - 3\lambda + 1/4 = 0$, namely $\frac12(3\pm\sqrt8).$ (Clearly $a$ and $b$ are interchangeable, so those values can be taken either way round.)[/sp]

What a nice skill and great solution, Opalg! Thanks for participating!
 

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