System of equations with Mathematica

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations and an inequality using Mathematica. Participants explore the challenges associated with the number of variables and the nature of the equations involved, focusing on theoretical and computational aspects.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to solve a system involving a quartic equation and an inequality using Mathematica, noting their dissatisfaction with another software, Maple.
  • Another participant points out that Mathematica may not be able to fully solve the system due to having five unknowns but only one equation and one inequality, suggesting that while $x$ can be expressed in terms of $a$ and $b$, the resulting quartic equation will be complex.
  • A later reply reiterates the challenges of the system, emphasizing the difficulty of the quartic solution and the limitations of Mathematica in extracting useful information from the inequality.
  • Another participant proposes a rearrangement of the equation to express $b$ in terms of $x$ and $a$, indicating that if $x$ and $a$ are known, $b$ can be determined.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limitations of Mathematica in solving the system fully, with multiple views on the implications of the complexity of the quartic equation and the inequality. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to handle the system.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the number of equations relative to the number of unknowns and the complexity of the mathematical expressions involved. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the values of the variables and the implications of the inequality.

Siron
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Hello!

I'm currently working with Maple but I do not really like the program. Is there someone with Mathematica who can run this system?

$$\left \{ \begin{array}{ll} 16x^4-40ax^3+(15a^2+24b)x^2-18abx+3b^2 = 0 \\ 4x^4+5a s \sqrt{v} x^2 - 8 s \sqrt{v} x^3 - b s \sqrt{v} x > 0 \end{array} \right.$$

If it would help $a<0$ and $s<0$.

Thanks!
 
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Hmm. Mathematica is not going to be able to solve your system fully, because you have five unknowns, but only one equation and one inequality. You can find $x$ in terms of $a$ and $b$, but that's a quartic, which will be horrendous. It'll take pages just to write down the solution. As for the inequality, I'm not sure Mathematica could glean much of anything from that.
 
Ackbach said:
Hmm. Mathematica is not going to be able to solve your system fully, because you have five unknowns, but only one equation and one inequality. You can find $x$ in terms of $a$ and $b$, but that's a quartic, which will be horrendous. It'll take pages just to write down the solution. As for the inequality, I'm not sure Mathematica could glean much of anything from that.

Thanks Ackbach! I knew I could expecting something like this. These ugly expressions keep coming ...
 
Siron said:
$$\left \{ \begin{array}{ll} 16x^4-40ax^3+(15a^2+24b)x^2-18abx+3b^2 = 0 \\ 4x^4+5a s \sqrt{v} x^2 - 8 s \sqrt{v} x^3 - b s \sqrt{v} x > 0 \end{array} \right.$$
With all those variables and 1 equation only, what is the problem statement?

The equation can be rearranged in terms of b (as example):

b = [-u +- SQRT(u^2 - 12v)] / 6
where:
u = 24x^2 - 18ax
v = 16x^4 - 40ax^3 + 15ax^2

So if x and a are givens, then you can solve for b.
 

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