System of ODE's and direction field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between a system of ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and the corresponding direction field. Participants explore how the vector representation of the system relates to the derivative dy/dx, particularly in the context of graphing solution curves.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a system of ODEs and questions the relationship between the vector form used for the direction field and the expression dy/dx.
  • Another participant confirms that (dy/dt)/(dx/dt) and dy/dx are equivalent, emphasizing the utility of parameterization.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the relationship between the vector and dy/dx, noting that one is a vector and the other is a scalar.
  • There is a suggestion that dy/dx represents the slope of the vector , with a participant questioning if this is the full extent of the relationship.
  • Further discussion hints at potential complexities in higher dimensions, though the focus remains on the two-dimensional case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic equivalence of the expressions but explore nuances and implications of this relationship without reaching a definitive consensus on all aspects.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the dimensionality and the nature of the vectors and slopes are present, but these are not fully resolved within the discussion.

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Given the system of diffe-eq's:

x'(t)=x(t)+9y(t)

y'(t)=-2x(t)-5y(t)

I solved these ok. My question is, when graphing the solution curves on a direction field, I set up the direction field using the vector:

(x+9y)\hat{i}+(-2x-5y)\hat{j}

My question is, what is the relationship between this vector, and:

\frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}=\frac{dy}{dx}

Are they supposed to be equivalent?

Thanks!
 
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Hi IniquiTrance! :smile:

Yes, (dy/dt)/(dx/dt) and dy/dx are the same …

that's the beauty of using parameters! :wink:
 
Hey Tim,

Thanks for the response.

I meant to ask what is the relationship of the vector <x'(t),y'(t)> with dy/dx?
 
IniquiTrance said:
I meant to ask what is the relationship of the vector <x'(t),y'(t)> with dy/dx?

Well, <x'(t),y'(t)> is a vector, but dy/dx is just a number …

I don't see what you're getting at. :confused:
 
Hmm, it seems that dy/dx is the slope of the vector <x'(t),y'(t)>, is that the extent of the relationship between the two?
 
IniquiTrance said:
Hmm, it seems that dy/dx is the slope of the vector <x'(t),y'(t)>, is that the extent of the relationship between the two?

If you go into three or more dimensions, there's some linear-algebra thing that I can't remember,

but yes, in two dimensions that's just about all there is :smile:
 
Ah ok. Thanks!
 

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