T - Improving Upper Bound for $a_n$ in Series for $n$

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The discussion revolves around the asymptotic behavior of the series defined by $a_n=\sqrt{1}+\sqrt{2}+\ldots+\sqrt{n}$. Participants explore methods to establish an upper bound for $a_n$ and prove that $a_n\sim\frac{2}{3}n^{3/2}$ as $n$ approaches infinity. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and the application of the squeeze theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the squeeze theorem but expresses difficulty in establishing appropriate bounds for $a_n$.
  • Another participant proposes a method involving Riemann sums to derive bounds for the sum of square roots, indicating that the area under the curve can provide upper and lower limits.
  • A later reply questions the validity of applying the squeeze theorem due to differing limits of the established bounds.
  • One participant introduces the concept of using the floor function to analyze the sum, suggesting that the remainder from this approach does not significantly affect the asymptotic result.
  • Another participant suggests an improved upper limit based on a tighter integral approximation.
  • Concerns are raised about specific numerical examples that challenge the established bounds, indicating potential discrepancies in the proposed inequalities.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to establish the upper bound for $a_n$. Multiple competing views and methods are presented, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective approach.

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Some participants note limitations in their approaches, such as the need for tighter bounds and the challenges of applying the squeeze theorem when limits differ. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the derivation of bounds.

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Let $a_n=\sqrt{1}+\sqrt{2}+\ldots+\sqrt{n}$. Prove $a_n\sim\frac{2}{3}n^{3/2}$; ie, the ratio has limit 1 as $n\to\infty$.

I have posted my unsuccessful attempt to use the squeeze theorem. How do I improve the upper bound?

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Hello,

1) Draw the graph of the function $f(x) = \sqrt{x}$ on the interval $[0,n]$.
2) Partition $[0,n]$ into $n$ sub-intervals: $[0,1], [1,2], ... , [n-1,n]$.
3) Form the Riemann sum where the sample point is chosen as the left-endpoint in each subinterval.
4) Form the Riemann sum where the sample point is chosen as the right-endpoint in each subinterval.
5) Observe that #3 is less than the area below $\sqrt{x}$ on $[0,n]$.
6) Observe that #4 is greater than the area below $\sqrt{x}$ on $[0,n]$.

Putting all of this together we get that,
$$ \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + ... + \sqrt{n-1} < \int_0^n \sqrt{x} ~ dx < \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3} + ... + \sqrt{n} $$
Thus,
$$ \tfrac{2}{3}n^{3/2} + 1 < \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + ... + \sqrt{n} < \tfrac{2}{3}n^{3/2} + \sqrt{n}$$

Can you finish these steps yourself?

Bonus Problem: Show that $1^k + 2^k + 3^k + ... + n^k = \frac{n^{k+1}}{k+1} + \varepsilon(n)$ where $|\varepsilon(n)| < Mn^k$ where $M$ is some constant.
(Note, this is a generalization of your problem. Here $k$ is an positive real number).
 
Thanks for your help, but is there any way to salvage my attempt, say by using a smaller rectangle for the upper bound.
 
Alexmahone said:
Thanks for your help, but is there any way to salvage my attempt, say by using a smaller rectangle for the upper bound.

Based on your work you have shown that,
$$ \frac{2}{3} n^{3/2} < \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + ... + \sqrt{n} < n^{3/2} $$
If you divide it out you get,
$$ \frac{2}{3} < \frac{\sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + ... + \sqrt{n}}{ n^{3/2} } < 1 $$
Here you cannot use any squeeze theorem as the lower and upper bounds have different limits. In other to apply squeeze theorem you need to have both the limits be equal.
 
Another way:

Let $\left \lfloor x \right \rfloor$ denote the greatest integer that is less or equal than $x$ (the integer satisfying $\left \lfloor x \right \rfloor \leq x < \left \lfloor x \right \rfloor + 1$ ).

Note that $ \displaystyle\sum_{k=1}^{n}{\sqrt{k}} = \sum_{k=1}^{n}{\left\lfloor\sqrt{k}\right\rfloor} + R(n)$ where $| R(n) | \leq n$ , hence the remainder $R(n)$ is not going to be "big" enough to modify the asymptotic result we are looking for. $(*)$

The key observation is that $\left\lfloor\sqrt{k}\right\rfloor$ is constant when $k\in\{m^2,...,(m+1)^2-1\}$ and is equal to $m$ there (i.e. it is constants in large intervals)

Thus we write: $\sum_{k=1}^{n}{\left\lfloor\sqrt{k}\right\rfloor} = \sum_{m=1}^{\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor - 1}{m \cdot \left( (m+1)^2 - m^2 \right)} + \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor \cdot \left( n - \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor^2 + 1\right) $ $(**)$

Now: $\sum_{m=1}^{\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor - 1}{m \cdot \left( (m+1)^2 - m^2 \right)} = \sum_{m=1}^{\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor - 1}{m \cdot \left( 2\cdot m + 1 \right)} = 2 \cdot \sum_{m=1}^{\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor - 1}m^2 + \sum_{m=1}^{\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor - 1}m $

Since $\sum_{m=1}^a m^2 = \frac{a \cdot (a + 1) \cdot (2\cdot a + 1)}{ 6 } \sim \frac{a^3}{3}$ and $\sum_{m=1}^a m = \frac{a \cdot (a + 1) }{ 2 } \sim \frac{a^2}{2}$ we find: $ \sum_{m=1}^{\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor - 1}{m \cdot \left( (m+1)^2 - m^2 \right)} \sim \frac{2}{3} \cdot (\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor - 1)^3 \sim \frac{2}{3} \cdot n^{3/2} $ $(***)$

Finally we note that: $\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor \leq \sqrt{n} < \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor + 1$ implies $\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor^2 \leq n < (\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor + 1)^2$ and so $ 0 \leq n - \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor^2 < (\left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor + 1)^2 - \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor^2 = 2\cdot \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor + 1$ thus $ \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor \cdot \left( n - \left\lfloor\sqrt{n}\right\rfloor^2 + 1\right) \sim 2 \cdot n$ $(****)$

Now $(*)$, $(**)$ , $(***)$ and $(****)$ put together imply the result.
 
Alexmahone said:
Thanks for your help, but is there any way to salvage my attempt, say by using a smaller rectangle for the upper bound.

IPH's method does exactly this. He uses your lower limit on the sum but replaces your upper limit by a tighter limit based on the same idea you have used for your lower limit.

(At least when he corrects his mistakes :) )

An improved upper limit is \( \displaystyle \int_1^{n+1} \sqrt{x} \; dx \)
CB
 
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ThePerfectHacker said:
Thus,
$$ \tfrac{2}{3}n^{3/2} + 1 < \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + ... + \sqrt{n} < \tfrac{2}{3}n^{3/2} + \sqrt{n}$$

Except put \(n=3\) then this is a claim that:

\[ \tfrac{2}{3}3^{3/2}+1=4.4641.. < \sqrt{1} + \sqrt{2} + \sqrt{3}=4.14626... \]

CB
 
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