Taking stat mech before quantum?

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The discussion revolves around the decision of whether to take Statistical Mechanics (stat mech) before Quantum Mechanics (QM) in an academic setting. Participants share their experiences and opinions regarding the prerequisites and the relevance of each subject, considering the implications for their studies in physics and mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether to take stat mech or Solid State Physics, noting that QM is a prerequisite for stat mech at their school.
  • Another participant suggests that the individual should take QM before stat mech, aligning with the school's prerequisite structure.
  • Some participants argue that prerequisites may not be significant, indicating that foundational knowledge from earlier courses could suffice for understanding stat mech.
  • A participant shares their experience of taking stat mech before QM due to their school's program, suggesting that while stat mech relies on QM results, it can be approached without deep prior knowledge of QM.
  • There is a counterpoint raised about the necessity of QM for lower-level stat mech, suggesting that the second-year physics curriculum may provide adequate preparation.

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Participants express differing views on the importance of prerequisites, with some advocating for following the established course sequence while others believe that prior knowledge may be sufficient to tackle stat mech without having completed QM first. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of QM for stat mech.

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Participants reference their individual academic experiences and the structure of their respective programs, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion highlights varying interpretations of the relevance of prerequisites in the context of physics education.

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i just finished my analytic mechanics and am halfway done with upperdiv E&M. Next fall, i plan on taking the 2nd half of E&M and the 1st quarter of Quantum and Abstract Algebra, for sure. Along with that, I'm thinking of taking either Statistical Mechanics or Solid State Physics.

at my school, quantum is a prereq for stat mech, but there are no prereqs for solid state. solid state is an elective at my school. i really look forward to taking stat mech because my school offered a lowerdiv modern physics-like class, with multivariable calc involved, that only focused on quanum and stat mech, and it was one of the best classes I've taken.

i don't know if i want to focus on math or physics yet, however. so far, analytic mechanics was only interesting in the 2nd half of the course. E&M so far was mostly a review of the lower div class.

should i take stat mech and if i enjoy, stick with physics. or take solid state, since i heard its really important for physics. or be patient, and not take either yet. I'm leaning towards option 1 or 3
 
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proton said:
at my school, quantum is a prereq for stat mech

Then you should take quantum before stat mech.
 
In my experience, prerequisites are meaningless.
 
I took statmech before Quantum, but that's the way my school's program was, it wasn't a choice of mine. Statmech certainly requires many results from quantum mechanics, but often you can take them at face value without having too much about where they came from. You should maybe talk to the professor of the class, to see really how much quantum is needed.
 
Cincinnatus said:
In my experience, prerequisites are meaningless.

Yeah, so let's learn nuclear physics before we know E&M.

You don't need QM for lower stat mech, it is only briefly alluded to. What you did in second year should suffice.
 

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