Talent Worthy of Wider Recognition

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The discussion revolves around the recognition of various musicians and bands, particularly focusing on guitar techniques, concert experiences, and the impact of age and fame on performance quality. Participants share insights on specific artists, their performances, and the evolution of musical styles, with references to both historical and contemporary figures in music.

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  • Some participants attribute the invention of the double lead guitar technique to George Harrison, while others contest this by citing earlier examples from Les Paul and Ennemond Gaultier.
  • There is a discussion about the perceived correlation between ticket prices and concert quality, with one participant noting a negative correlation based on personal experiences.
  • Participants mention various artists, such as Orianthi, D_Drive, and Larkin Poe, highlighting their contributions to modern rock and the unique sounds they produce.
  • Yuki from D_Drive is noted for covering songs like "Highly Strung," and there are references to other young musicians like Li-sa-X and Maya Neelakantan, showcasing their talents and achievements.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of fame on performance quality, particularly in classical music, where younger, less-known musicians may deliver more passionate performances.
  • Some participants express admiration for specific performances and artists, while others question the consistency of quality across different concerts.
  • Matteo Mancuso is mentioned as an artist receiving significant recognition, with discussions around the dynamics of teamwork in bands.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the origins of musical techniques and the relationship between concert quality and ticket prices. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly concerning the recognition of various artists and the subjective nature of musical experiences.

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Some claims depend on personal experiences and may not reflect broader trends. The discussion includes references to specific performances and artists that may not be universally recognized or agreed upon.

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Readers interested in music history, guitar techniques, concert experiences, and the dynamics of performance quality in relation to fame may find this discussion engaging.

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The double lead guitar technique was invented by George Harrison on Your Bird Can Sing but the style didn't catch on. Jimmy Page put it on the map in Ramble On, then the Allman Brothers made it their signature. I like double lead guitar because that unique soaring sound is something no other instrument can match. It can feel like flying.

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D_Drive​

In the 21st century progress continues. Orianthi with Steve Vai is right in there with Highly Strung. We have Nagoya's* D_Drive playing complex raucous hard rock lines in great synchrony. Here we efficiently combine the two as Yuki from D_Drive covers Highly Strung. It's almost identical.



Today Larkin Poe takes the southern rock thang to the next level as they continue to make it big.



That nonfiguratively made my hair stand on end. This needs a vocal though. Hmmm, I could do that. Check back in a year or two.

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*Nagoya is essentially the same as 1960's Detroit, as it harbors the Toyota factory. D_Drive's music revolves around the driving of automobiles. I have seen D_Drive in person and attest they can really do that on stage.
 
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In my Tokyo sojourn I discovered that in my case ticket price is negatively correlated with concert quality. The worst concert was almost the most expensive and possibly the best was free. I can't be bothered to do the math but outlier leverage might yield a correlation something like -0.5.

This is easy to explain. Ticket price depends on fame, not on quality. I attend mostly classical concerts. Classical music is largely about passion. Who has more passion than a teenager? And if you want to make a living as a classical soloist you'd better have all your chops by about age twenty. So the best concerts of all tend to be given by the winners of classical music contests who as of yet enjoy no fame. The free one was an exhibition by students at the Gedai high school, a division of the number one music school in Japan. They were setting the air on fire, those very dowdy high school uniforms and thick eyeglasses notwithstanding.

Now this sample is not at all random. I go to a lot of effort to find these wonderful concerts. I stumbled over that high school exhibition by accident : it wasn't publicized at all. A random sample might very well find a positive correlation between price and quality. But why should I care about that? I don't.

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Hillary Hahn.​

Oh, that expensive concert. A Hillary Hahn recital at Tokyo Opera City. Many would chose her as the best in the world. No passion that night. Zero. She recently had a baby so the fire burns low while tenderness arises. Well HH, you are a professional classical violinist with the heaviest of reps. I expect value in return for my one hundred dollars. If you don't feel it, fake it. That's your job. Oh, congratulations on having become a mother. It seems to have put you at peace.
 
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Hornbein said:
... Here we efficiently combine the two as Yuki from D_Drive covers Highly Strung. It's almost identical.



Here's an old video of Yuki:

(2017) Judas Priest / Painkiller (Guitar Cover) Yuki of D_Drive


Here's an old video of Li-sa-X, which got the attention of Paul Gilbert and others.

(Dec 2013) RACER X "Scarified" Cover / Li-sa-X (Japanese 8 year old girl)

 
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Li-sa-X is now in a band with Kanade Sato called KOIAI. Not my deal but many find it great.



Yuki is now in all-female East of Eden with a violinist. The ebass player is terrific.

 
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The double lead guitar technique
On this topic, if I remember correctly R.E.M. overdubbed the guitar solo in their song "Drive" multiple times to give it a really fat voice. But they don't need any wider recognition, the became a HUGE band. :smile:
 
Saki -- Takes a while to get started, very nice rock guitar instrumental.

 
 
The Craig Fuller version of Little Feat. They were popular -- how did I miss this? Dunno.

Rock and roll baby!

 
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Hornbein said:
The Craig Fuller version of Little Feat. They were popular -- how did I miss this? Dunno.

Rock and roll baby!
Little Feat was my favorite band in the 70's.
Kind of New Orleans jazzy rock and roll.
 
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Yoshihiro Naruse -- Outrageous Bass Solo​

 
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Bass: Ellen Alaverdyan
Drummer Alisaxie Xiaotong (13yo) China seems about perfect.
 
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Here's the video that got Yoyoka Soma noticed:

her entry for the 2018 Hit Like a Girl Contest

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Good Times Bad Times - LED ZEPPELIN / Cover by Yoyoka , 8 year old drummer


https://www.npr.org/sections/allson...girl-crush-led-zeppelins-good-times-bad-times

Here it is on YouTube
Good Times Bad Times - LED ZEPPELIN / Cover by Yoyoka , 8 year old
and a comment
Robert Plant reacts to 8-year-old girl playing Led Zeppelin on drums .

Other mentions of Yoyoka on PF .
 
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They look very tired though. Too much touring?
 
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Hornbein said:
The double lead guitar technique was invented by George Harrison on Your Bird Can Sing
No it wasn't. Les Paul was doing it in the 1940s. And Ennemond Gaultier was doing it on lutes in the 16th century.
 
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Incognito -- the best in soul these days. They've been around for decades, lots of personal changes but they always deliver. And they always make the Java Jazz festival in Jakarta.



Their ebass players are always the best, some guy I've never heard of, different every time.
 
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Maya Neelakantan (11 years old)

Maya Neelakantan & Intro Full Performance | America's Got Talent 2024 Auditions Week 4 S19E04


11-Year-Old Guitarist Maya Neelakantan Performs "Master Of Puppets" | Quarterfinals | AGT 2024


Meeting Jason Becker - The Guitar Legend!


Killing In The Name (Rage Against The Machine) - Studio Live Jam By Maya & Yoyoka!
 
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robphy said:
Maya Neelakantan (11 years old)

Maya Neelakantan & Intro Full Performance | America's Got Talent 2024 Auditions Week 4 S19E04


11-Year-Old Guitarist Maya Neelakantan Performs "Master Of Puppets" | Quarterfinals | AGT 2024


Meeting Jason Becker - The Guitar Legend!


Killing In The Name (Rage Against The Machine) - Studio Live Jam By Maya & Yoyoka!

Wow. Seeing a young Indian kid do that, gives me hope for mankind. Loved it.
 
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Hornbein said:

I like the sound but I guess that's not so difficult nowadays. The nice jazzy blue notes OTOH is another story altogether. If he isn't a teamplayer that'll s..k. People sometimes underestimate the amount of discipline that goes into a band. It aint a democrazy. By no means, no Sireeee. :)

Nice find.
 
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Hornbein said:
Matteo Mancuso
Not sure he fits in this thread - he is (deservedly) getting a LOT of recognition.

sbrothy said:
If he isn't a teamplayer that'll s..k. People sometimes underestimate the amount of discipline that goes into a band.
Oh he can play in a band:
 
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I think drummer Yeong eun is great.
 
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On local radio station today. With me this afternoon for a change. Hit/,miss as all DJs are from UK.
 
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On local radio station today.96 FM, Pattaya. With me this afternoon for a change. Hit/,miss as all DJs are from UK.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/@Evlee. (The period at the end of this url is important.)
Hey! I am a 15-year-old girl from China (
https://www.nuxaudio.com/artists.html
https://www.nuxaudio.com/content.html?web_id=2716&page_id=6820&module_id=65316&id=380884 )

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  • (2023) Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement) - live (with a backing track) in what looks like a trade show for amplifiers
 
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