Task with spring, energy, velocity and angle

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a projectile launched from a spring cannon. The problem requires finding the velocity of the projectile as it exits the spring, taking into account the angle of launch and energy conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the role of the angle in calculating the velocity and questions whether energy contributions from the spring and gravity need to be vectorized. They express confusion about the relationship between the angle of the cannon and the resulting velocity.
  • Some participants question the interpretation of gravitational potential energy and its relation to the angle, suggesting that the change in height should be considered in the calculations.
  • Others discuss the terminology used, such as "gain" versus "contribution," and clarify the meaning of potential energy (PE) in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering clarifications and corrections regarding the energy contributions involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to properly account for gravitational effects and the implications of the angle on the calculations. The original poster has indicated they will revisit their calculations based on the feedback received.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions a potential ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the spring's expansion and the mechanism that limits its movement. Additionally, there is a note about the language barrier affecting understanding.

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Homework Statement


A projectile is loaded into a spring cannon.

Find its velocity as it leaves the spring.

The cannon is angled at 38 degrees above the horizontal. (θ=38)

m=0.025kg
k=100 N/m
x0=0.13m
x1=0.05m

(We press the spring down 13 cm when we load it. When it stops expanding, it still has 5 cm of winding left. Bit ambiguous in the text, but I interpret this to mean there is some mechanism that stops it from expanding the full 13 cm)

Homework Equations



0.5*k*x^2
0.5*m*v^2
mgh

E(initial) = E(final)

The Attempt at a Solution



Do I have to account for the angle to find the velocity as it leaves the spring?

Please correct me on this:

1) The energy contribution from the spring does not need to be vectorized, because it is angled in parallell with the angle of the velocity we're measuring.

2) The contribution from gravity also does not need to be vectorized, because when there is no friction, all the gravity will push against the spring direction regardless of angle. This one I am really unsure of..

If I pretend the cannon points completely vertically:

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3) If statement 3 is correct: all angles for the cannon between 90 and 0 will give the same velocity.
If statement 3 is incorrect, and the retarding contribution from gravity changes with angle, surely 90 degrees (completely vertical) will give the lowest velocity, and 0 degrees with give the highest.

This conflicts with my calculations of 7.69 m/s for vertical, because the answer given is only 7.53 m/s

What am I doing wrong? Any help whatsoever would be appreciated, spent.. 4 hours on this simply task now hah!
 
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The gain in gravitational PE is only related to the change in height, so, yes, you do need to multiply by the sine of the angle. Your mistake is that you are adding the gain in gravitational PE instead of subtracting it. (.05-.13 will be negative.)
 
Thanks.

I am learning physics in a language other than English.

What is PE an acronym for?

Are you using the term "gain" in the same sense I am using the word "contribution"?

Actually, I see that if g= -9.81 that takes care of itself... Which makes sense.

And then I need to do some trigonometry work to modify the impact of gravity taking into account the angle.

Gonna give that a go tomorrow, way past midnight here heh.
 
DrOnline said:
What is PE an acronym for?
Potential Energy. In the present problem there is PE in the spring and gravitational PE.
Are you using the term "gain" in the same sense I am using the word "contribution"?
As the spring expands, there is a loss of PE in the spring, a gain (increase) of gravitational PE, and a gain of KE (kinetic energy).
 
Thanks again. I should have understood PE stands for potential energy. I know how that works.

I have made the changes to the calculations now and it looks good to me, uploading it in case somebody else wonders about this problem in the future:

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