Tension in a String: Solve for Unknown Lengths - 98.6N

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving tension in a string and the calculation of unknown lengths related to a triangular configuration. The known force is 98.6N, and participants are exploring the relationships between tension, angles, and geometric properties of the triangle formed by the string.

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  • Participants discuss the equation 2*T*sin(theta) = 147.25 and question how to determine the angle theta based on the isosceles triangle properties. There is uncertainty about the perimeter of the triangle and the implications of the loop length being 5m.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the geometry of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the triangle's perimeter and the relationship between the loop and the triangle.

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There is confusion regarding the perimeter of the triangle and the lengths of the sides, as well as the role of the waveform in the diagram. Participants are attempting to clarify these aspects while adhering to the constraints of the problem.

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A mass M (15kg) is hanging on a string which is forming a closed loop (total length of the loop = 5m, with mass per unit length=2*10^(-3) kg/m). The string runs trough 2 mass and frictionless wheels, with a distance of 2 meters between them. Determine the tension T in the string.
Relevant Equations
F = m*a;
τ=I*α
I know that the answer has to be 98.6N. So I know that Fy=0 so that 2*T*sin(theta) = 147.25. Then I was think to take the torque of the left wheel but I can't find the lever arm of the tension force. I also know that u can solve the question by saying that the 2 sides of unknown length are 1.5 m but I'm not sure why u can do that.
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well I think this equation ##2T\sin\theta=147.25## is correct. All you need is a geometric argument to determine ##\theta##. From the figure it seems that we can take the triangle to be isosceles. So how can you find ##\theta## if you know that the triangle is isosceles, has perimeter 5m and base 2m?
 
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Well we can take Arctan(1/1.5) but I don't see why we can say that the perimeter is 5. Isn't the loop 5 m? And the length of the sides are unknown? That's why I tried using torque but I got the equation 2*T*sin(theta)=147.25 back.
 
What do you mean , since the total loop length is 5m, can't we say that the perimeter of the triangle is 5m?
Btw that should be ##\theta=\arccos(1/1.5)##..
 
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snormanlol said:
Isn't the loop 5 m?
Maybe the diagram, with its waveform in the horizontal section, is misleading you. Ignore the waveform at this stage (that is presumably for a later part of the question) and treat the horizontal part as straight. So the loop of string forms a triangle, and the length of the loop is the perimeter.
 
Ah yes it misleaded me thank you guys and yeah I meant arccos but I made a mistake. But thank you for the help guys.
 
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