Tensor transformations for change of coordinate system

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The discussion centers on the differences in tensor transformations for changing coordinate systems, specifically contrasting traditional tensor transformations with those involving tensor densities. Participants explore the implications of these transformations in the context of anisotropic densities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes a difference in tensor transformation forms, questioning why some recent papers use a transformation that includes the determinant of the transformation matrix.
  • Another participant identifies the object in question as a "tensor density of weight -1," indicating a specific classification within tensor transformations.
  • A participant expresses difficulty in finding a clear definition of "tensor density," seeking practical advantages over regular coordinate transformations, particularly in the context of anisotropic density.
  • One reply challenges the initial claim of difficulty in finding definitions, suggesting that the participant may not have made a thorough search.
  • The original poster clarifies that while they found definitions, they lack clarity regarding the practical reasons for using tensor densities over standard transformations.
  • There is a question raised about the significance of the weight of -1 in tensor densities compared to other potential weights.

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Participants do not appear to reach consensus on the definitions and practical implications of tensor densities versus traditional tensor transformations. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

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Limitations include a lack of clear definitions and practical explanations regarding tensor densities, as well as unresolved questions about the significance of the weight in tensor transformations.

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In school I've always learned that tensor transformations took the form of:

[tex]\mathbf{Q'}=\mathbf{M} \times \mathbf{Q} \times \mathbf{M}^T[/tex]

However, in all the recent papers I've been reading. They've been doing the transformation as:

[tex]\mathbf{Q'}= \frac {\mathbf{M} \times \mathbf{Q} \times \mathbf{M}^T}{det(\mathbf{M})}[/tex]

Where Q is the tensor in question and M is the transformation matrix and M^T is the transpose of M.

Does anyone know why the difference?
 
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Such on object is properly called a "tensor density". Specifically, it is a "tensor density of weight -1", since the determinant appears with the power -1.
 
I can't seem to find a clear definition of "tensor density" online. How does this differ (or provide an advantage) (practically, not mathematically) from a regular coordinate transformation? FYI, I'm trying to follow the transformation of a anisotropic density (actual matter density) in a paper.
 
Did you even try Googling it? For your claim that you "can't find it", I have serious doubts.
 
Of course I tried googling it. I didn't say I didn't find ANY definitions, I said I couldn't find a CLEAR definition which included information pertaining to the entirety of the second sentence of my last post with an emphasis on the parenthetical parts. The online definitions basically say its a coordinate transformation with a weight to it based on a Jacobian determinant. Big whoop, those definitions tell me nothing about why it's used over a normal transformations. Why use a weight of -1 rather than 1000?
 
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