Terrorist Attack in France 84 dead and counting

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More details are yet to come through, but two events have happened in France today which are not good:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/82135091/live-french-truck-crash-at-bastille-celebrations
A truck has driven straight into a crowd of revellers at Bastille Day celebrations in France, killing more than 70 people.
and

http://www.newshub.co.nz/world/eiffel-tower-on-fire-after-explosion-2016071510?ref=newshubFB
A truck laden with fireworks has exploded beneath the iconic Eiffel Tower in Paris.
 

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I have relatives in Nice that could have been in attendance. The driver is said to have been shooting while driving and was shot and killed.

Also, I have family in Paris, but initial reports say no one was injured in the fireworks explosion, but I guess it's too soon to tell.
 
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Seems it is worse than originally reported.

Nice, France, truck attack kills 80, official tells French TV
By Ralph Ellis and Steve Almasy, CNN

(CNN)At least 80 people were killed Thursday night when a large truck plowed through a crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, France, the Nice prosecutor's office said, according to French media.

The driver pointed his tractor-trailer into the crowd and accelerated, mowing bodies over. The driver was shot to death, authorities said. At least 100 people were injured, authorities said.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/europe/nice-france-truck/index.html
 
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An horrific tragedy to occur on a day of celebration in France. My heart and sympathies goes to the French people. :frown::cry:

I know it's still early days in the investigation, but I am curious if we know anything about the driver of that truck in Nice, and whether there are any connections to terrorist groups (especially given the past attacks in Paris).
 
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An horrific tragedy to occur on a day of celebration in France. My heart and sympathies goes to the French people. :frown::cry:

I know it's still early days in the investigation, but I am curious if we know anything about the driver of that truck in Nice, and whether there are any connections to terrorist groups (especially given the past attacks in Paris).
Right now they are assuming it is at least an ISIS sympathizer from listening to the CNN interviews with Trump and Clinton.
 
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Right now they are assuming it is at least an ISIS sympathizer from listening to the CNN interviews with Trump and Clinton.
While this may be the case, I would be careful not to make any assumptions, particularly based on statements coming from Trump.
 
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While this may be the case, I would be careful not to make any assumptions, particularly based on statements coming from Trump.
Yeah, he declared war while talking to Wolf Blitzer. o:)
 
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I wonder how much longer people would rather not offend anyone than to take an honest look at the world with respect to religion - maybe it's finally starting to settle in what the cost of walking on eggshells is.
 
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I can't wait to see the left call everyone Islamophobic again.
 
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This is so sad.

What We Know About the Attack in Nice

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July 14, 2016
At least 84 people were killed Thursday night when a truck careened through crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day in the southern French city of Nice. French President François Hollande has said the attack, which also left dozens of people injured, including 18 in critical condition, was likely an act of terrorism.

What happened
According to eyewitness accounts, bodies were sent flying into the air as the heavy-duty white transport vehicle hit them on the Promenade des Anglais at about 10:30 p.m. local time, where people had gathered to watch fireworks by the Nice seafront. Videos taken by bystanders show the truck zigzagging as the driver apparently sought to hit as many people as possible as he drove along more than a mile of crowded road. Images from the scene show bodies sprawled along stretches of road.

The driver reportedly also opened fire on the crowd, and was killed in a shootout with police. Authorities have also said the truck was loaded with explosives and “heavy weapons.” Photographs show the windshield of the truck riddled with bullet holes after it was brought to a halt.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/know-nice-truck-attack-033703873.html
 
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I guess that it's fortunate that he didn't have time to set off the explosives. Still, so many senselessly killed yet again.
 
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I guess that it's fortunate that he didn't have time to set off the explosives. Still, so many senselessly killed yet again.
This one was especially bad as there were many children, babies, handicapped, this wasn't a nightclub, sporting event or late night cafe. I saw a picture of a small dead child with her teddy bear.
 
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This one was especially bad as there were many children, babies, handicapped, this wasn't a nightclub, sporting event or late night cafe. I saw a picture of a small dead child with her teddy bear.
The latest news report that I saw this morning was that the guns and grenades that were on the truck were all fake except for the gun that he was shooting with. So, my previous comment is moot - he did everything that he could with what he had before the police could stop him. This type of random attack is going to be very difficult to detect and defeat.
 
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Yeah, he declared war while talking to Wolf Blitzer. o:)
Trump, Clinton, and even Obama have said the US is at war with terrorism. Repeatedly.

Trump was asked if he would ask Congress for a declaration of war against ISIS. He responded: "I would. I would. This is war."
In a CNN phone interview, Clinton said the U.S. was “at war with these terrorist groups and what they represent.”
 
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Trump, Clinton, and even Obama have said the US is at war with terrorism. Repeatedly.
As has just about everyone in the world, as well as acknowledging that the terrorists are Muslim extremists, which is why I don't know what people are supposedly not saying in order to avoid hurting others' feelings (I'm referring to dipole's post now). I think I have an idea, and it may shock some to know that I don't say it because I disagree with it, and not because I secretly do agree but won't say it because of PC. The PC conspiracy theories are getting a little old around here lately.
 
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I wonder how much longer people would rather not offend anyone than to take an honest look at the world with respect to religion - maybe it's finally starting to settle in what the cost of walking on eggshells is.
How is everybody walking on eggshells? Is there a problem with extremic islam? Definitely, a big one. Is there a problem with many (mostly young) muslims radicalizing, yes. What more are you referring to?

I can't wait to see the left call everyone Islamophobic again.
I can't wait to see the right call all muslims terrorists and/or call all leftists naive.
 
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As has just about everyone in the world, as well as acknowledging that the terrorists are Muslim extremists, which is why I don't know what people are supposedly not saying in order to avoid hurting others' feelings (I'm referring to dipole's post now). I think I have an idea, and it may shock some to know that I don't say it because I disagree with it, and not because I secretly do agree but won't say it because of PC. The PC conspiracy theories are getting a little old around here lately.
MSNBC called it a "truck crash"

Today show ommitted the name of the driver and, instead, called him "a french citizen"

NPR is stating the motivation is still unknown

CNN said they don't know the attacker's motivation and that there's strong evidence he wasn't a muslim

Hillary Clinton – Verified account ‏@HillaryClinton
"Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism."
7:57 AM - 19 Nov 2015

etc. etc.

What planet are you living on?
 
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MSNBC called it a "truck crash"

Today show ommitted the name of the driver and, instead, called him "a french citizen"

NPR is stating the motivation is still unknown

CNN said they don't know the attacker's motivation and that there's strong evidence he wasn't a muslim

Hillary Clinton – Verified account ‏@HillaryClinton
"Let’s be clear: Islam is not our adversary. Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism."
7:57 AM - 19 Nov 2015

etc. etc.

What planet are you living on?
Maybe because it has been less than a day and information is still coming in? Here's a recent CNN article where he's called a terrorist and named, as well s being linked to Tunisia. They only refrain from directly sating that he had ISIS connections because he may very well not have. Nevertheless, it's strongly implied and very likely that he was some kind of ISIS sympathizer.

You're alleging that the media is trying to downplay certain facts that they're pretty clearly stating. I don't want to get the thread derailed or closed but I see no reason to put up with clear-cut conspiracy theories either.
 
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...as well as acknowledging that the terrorists are Muslim extremists,.
Reference please, for the US President acknowledging the connection of Islam and terrorists, and not simply "extremist." What he has said instead is that the phrase is a "political talking point", mocking those that say the connection is important.
 
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Is there a problem with extremic islam? Definitely, a big one.
According the US President, no. Per Obama, there is a problem with "extremists" and "terrorists", but "radical Islam" is just a talking point according to him.
 
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According the US President, no. Per Obama, there is a problem with "extremists" and "terrorists", but "radical Islam" is just a talking point according to him.
That's just silly semantics.
 
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That's just silly semantics.
That's just disingenuous. Delete "Islam" from your post if you think it irrelevant.
 

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