Thank you!Is my understanding of T-invariant subspaces correct?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of T-invariant subspaces in the context of linear transformations within vector spaces. Participants explore the implications of T-invariance, the extension of bases, and the conditions under which a subspace can be considered T-invariant, particularly when the transformation maps between different vector spaces.

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  • One participant describes extending a basis B of a T-invariant subspace to a basis B' for the entire vector space and questions whether the resulting vectors in the range of T remain within the subspace.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the definition of T-invariance and whether a subspace can be T-invariant if the transformation maps to a different vector space.
  • A third participant provides examples of invariant subspaces, including polynomial and exponential function spaces, and notes that eigen spaces and generalized eigenspaces are also invariant subspaces.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the original post, particularly regarding the definitions and relationships between the vector spaces and transformations discussed.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding T-invariance, with some seeking clarification and others providing examples. There is no consensus on the implications or significance of T-invariance, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding its broader context and applications.

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Some participants highlight the complexity of the definitions and relationships involved, indicating that further exploration may be necessary to fully grasp the concept of T-invariance and its significance in linear transformations.

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Hello,

can anyone tell me if I understand this right? :rolleyes:

I have a t-invariant subspace with basis B, and I extend the basis B to be a basis B' for the entire vector space by adding L.I. vectors to it. Then I put B under a linear transformation, T:V --> V, and I will get a set of vectors in the range of T that generates W in that space, i.e. R(T) = span (T(B)). But since the subspace (let's call it v) of V is T-invariant, then the vectors I end up with in R(T) are also in the subspace (minus the ones we added to extend the basis). Is that correct?

Also, can something only be T-invariant if it's a mapping within the same vector space? Can subspace v of V be t-invariant if the transformation is T: V --> W? I'm not sure if that makes sense, because the generating set in the R(T) couldn't be generating the same subset as in V.
 
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This is remarkably hard to read!

You have a vector space V and a linear transformation T:V-->V with invariant subspace what? W? "Then I put B under a linear transformation, T:V-->V" Is this the same T as for the "t-invarient subspace"?

Given a vector space V, a linear transformation T, and a T-invariant subspace U, yes, it is true that any basis for W can be extended to a basis for V. If W is the image of V under T: W= R(T), then clearly V must be a subspace of W. is that what you are asking?

U can be an invariant subspace for a linear transformation T:V-->W provided that U is in both V and W. For example, let V be all triples (x,y,0), W be all triples (0, y, z) and T(x,y,0)= (0, y, x). Then U= all triples of the form (0, y, 0) is a T- invariant subspace.
 
Sorry, I suppose that was a mouthful...

I am still just confused about t-invariance, I guess. What about this is significant? Apparently it's going to be important later on (according to my course instructor), but I'm having trouble understanding what t-invariant means beyond the formal definition.
 
Let V be the vector space of differentiable functions from R to R and T be differentiation. Then P(x) the set of polys is an invariant subspace, E(x) the subspace spanned by the exponential function is an invariant subspace.

Eigen spaces are invariant subspaces. Generalized eigenspaces are invariant subspaces. Subspaces preserved by T are good because T restricts to a linear map on the subspace.
 

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