The Acidic Mysteries of Temperature and H2O

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between temperature and the acidity of water, specifically addressing why water becomes more acidic as temperature increases. Participants explore the dissociation of water into ions and the implications for pH and acidity, considering both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why water dissociates into H+ and OH- ions more at higher temperatures, suggesting that this should not lead to increased acidity since both ions are produced in equal amounts.
  • One participant explains that the dissociation of water is influenced by Le Chatelier's principle, indicating that increased temperature shifts the equilibrium, leading to a higher concentration of H+ ions and thus a lower pH.
  • Another participant emphasizes that acidity is defined by the activity of H+ ions and notes that the pH of pure water changes with temperature, becoming lower than 7 at higher temperatures.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between H+ and OH- ions, suggesting that they could cancel each other out, leading to a simultaneous increase in both acidity and basicity at elevated temperatures.
  • There is a claim that at higher temperatures, a solution can be both more acidic and more basic due to increased reactivity, though this raises questions about the overall acidity or basicity of the solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the increase in temperature leads to a definitive increase in acidity or basicity, with some suggesting that both can occur simultaneously. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these changes on the overall acidity or basicity of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the definitions of acidity and basicity depend on the concentrations of H+ and OH- ions, which may vary with temperature. The discussion does not resolve how these changes interact to affect the overall pH of the solution.

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why does the water become more acidic as temperature goes up. H2O <-> (H^+) + (OH^-) . why does this dissociate into the ions more at higher temperatures. also even if it does dissociate more it should not become more acidic as for every H^+ formed a OH^- is formed.
 
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markosheehan said:
why does the water become more acidic as temperature goes up. H2O <-> (H^+) + (OH^-) . why does this dissociate into the ions more at higher temperatures. also even if it does dissociate more it should not become more acidic as for every H^+ formed a OH^- is formed.

It takes energy to break the bonds in $\ce{H2O}$.
And any change in status quo prompts an opposing reaction in the responding system (Le Chatelier's principle).
So when heat is applied to the system, and temperature goes up, the equilibrium shifts to compensate, meaning $\ce{H2O}$ absorbs some of the heat and dissociates.

As for acidity, that is defined as the activity of $\ce{H+}$ ions (as $\ce{pH}$).
When temperature goes up, that activity goes up as well, meaning the solution gets a lower $\ce{pH}$ than $7$.
Note that the water is still neutral though.
It's just that a neutral solution only has a $\ce{pH}$ of $7$ at standard temperature ($25 ^\circ C$).
For the record, at $0 ^\circ C$, the $\ce{pH}$ of pure water is 7.47. At $25 ^\circ C$, it's 7.00, and at $100 ^\circ C$ it's 6.14.
 
i understand that the more acidic something is the more the H^+ ions concentration there will be. but the measure of how basic something is measured by the OH^-1 concentration. would the hydroxide ions and hydrogen ions not cancel out no matter what the temperature is.

the pOH=-log to the base 10 of the hydroxide concentration. this will go up if water dissociates.
 
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markosheehan said:
i understand that the more acidic something is the more the H^+ ions concentration there will be. but the measure of how basic something is measured by the OH^-1 concentration. would the hydroxide ions and hydrogen ions not cancel out no matter what the temperature is.

the pOH=-log to the base 10 of the hydroxide concentration. this will go up if water dissociates.

Yep. So a solution can be simultaneously more acidic and more basic by applying heat.
And they would cancel out.
We'd just have both more acidic reactions and more basic reactions.
That is, at a higher temperature we have more reactivity of all types.
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. So a solution can be simultaneously more acidic and more basic by applying heat.
And they would cancel out.
We'd just have both more acidic reactions and more basic reactions.
That is, at a higher temperature we have more reactivity of all types.

so its not more acidic or basic no matter what the temperature
 
markosheehan said:
so its not more acidic or basic no matter what the temperature

Correct.
 

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