MHB The Acidic Mysteries of Temperature and H2O

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Water becomes more acidic as temperature increases due to the dissociation of H2O into H+ and OH- ions, which is influenced by Le Chatelier's principle. As temperature rises, the equilibrium shifts, resulting in a higher activity of H+ ions, leading to a lower pH. Although both H+ and OH- ions increase, the pH reflects the greater concentration of H+ ions, causing the solution to appear more acidic. At different temperatures, the neutral pH of water varies, being 7 at 25°C, 7.47 at 0°C, and 6.14 at 100°C. Thus, while water can be both more acidic and more basic at higher temperatures, the overall effect is a decrease in pH.
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why does the water become more acidic as temperature goes up. H2O <-> (H^+) + (OH^-) . why does this dissociate into the ions more at higher temperatures. also even if it does dissociate more it should not become more acidic as for every H^+ formed a OH^- is formed.
 
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markosheehan said:
why does the water become more acidic as temperature goes up. H2O <-> (H^+) + (OH^-) . why does this dissociate into the ions more at higher temperatures. also even if it does dissociate more it should not become more acidic as for every H^+ formed a OH^- is formed.

It takes energy to break the bonds in $\ce{H2O}$.
And any change in status quo prompts an opposing reaction in the responding system (Le Chatelier's principle).
So when heat is applied to the system, and temperature goes up, the equilibrium shifts to compensate, meaning $\ce{H2O}$ absorbs some of the heat and dissociates.

As for acidity, that is defined as the activity of $\ce{H+}$ ions (as $\ce{pH}$).
When temperature goes up, that activity goes up as well, meaning the solution gets a lower $\ce{pH}$ than $7$.
Note that the water is still neutral though.
It's just that a neutral solution only has a $\ce{pH}$ of $7$ at standard temperature ($25 ^\circ C$).
For the record, at $0 ^\circ C$, the $\ce{pH}$ of pure water is 7.47. At $25 ^\circ C$, it's 7.00, and at $100 ^\circ C$ it's 6.14.
 
i understand that the more acidic something is the more the H^+ ions concentration there will be. but the measure of how basic something is measured by the OH^-1 concentration. would the hydroxide ions and hydrogen ions not cancel out no matter what the temperature is.

the pOH=-log to the base 10 of the hydroxide concentration. this will go up if water dissociates.
 
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markosheehan said:
i understand that the more acidic something is the more the H^+ ions concentration there will be. but the measure of how basic something is measured by the OH^-1 concentration. would the hydroxide ions and hydrogen ions not cancel out no matter what the temperature is.

the pOH=-log to the base 10 of the hydroxide concentration. this will go up if water dissociates.

Yep. So a solution can be simultaneously more acidic and more basic by applying heat.
And they would cancel out.
We'd just have both more acidic reactions and more basic reactions.
That is, at a higher temperature we have more reactivity of all types.
 
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Yep. So a solution can be simultaneously more acidic and more basic by applying heat.
And they would cancel out.
We'd just have both more acidic reactions and more basic reactions.
That is, at a higher temperature we have more reactivity of all types.

so its not more acidic or basic no matter what the temperature
 
markosheehan said:
so its not more acidic or basic no matter what the temperature

Correct.
 
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