Science AND logic both dictate that we deal with what we know through observation and testing. Science has observed phenominon(sic) that indicates this universe had a specific starting point. Science has indicated that, before that starting point, there was nothing - absolute nothing. Science has observed that the universe started from a singularity. EVERY test to date has confirmed the "Big Bang" theory, NOTHING has ever provided evidence to counter it (to date). It is a universal constant and a logical dictate that anything that has a start or beginning MUST have a cause. It is also a universal constant and logical dictate that it is impossible for something to come from nothing. By definition, a singularity is NOTHING. This means that the universe started or came from NOTHING. Thus, science has already suggested that the creation of the universe was a miracle as it violated BOTH the universal constants of something from nothing and first cause. Logic also dictates that, for something to come from nothing, there must be a Creator. Can someone with a greater understanding of cosmology and physics refute this for me in laymen's terms? If not, then why not? This was brought up in a debate over proof of God's existence.