The classic second order differential equation

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The discussion revolves around the solution of the second order differential equation given by \(\frac{1}{X(x)} \frac{d^2 X}{dx^2}=-κ^2\). Participants explore the methods of integration and the resulting forms of the solution, addressing discrepancies between expected solutions and personal results. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over obtaining \(e^{±k^2x}\) instead of the expected \(e^{±iκx}\) and questions their integration approach.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the integration steps taken by the first participant.
  • A third participant highlights the need for a differential format to integrate and suggests using substitutions and integration by parts, ultimately leading back to the original equation.
  • There is a mention of deriving a first-order equation instead of a second-order one, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the approach.
  • A participant questions the implications of the solution at \(x=0\) and the role of imaginary numbers in the context of the solution.
  • One participant reiterates the original equation and its characteristic equation, emphasizing the relationship between the roots and the expected solution form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the differential equation, and multiple competing views on integration methods and solution forms remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the integration process and the interpretation of imaginary numbers in the context of the solutions. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the form of the solution.

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If we have [itex]\frac{1}{X(x)}[/itex] [itex]\frac{d^2 X}{dx^2}[/itex]=-κ^2, the literature is saying that the solution must be: e^(±iκx), but am always getting e^(±k^2x).

Isn't the approach is to decently integrate twice and then raise the ln by the exponential? Where am I going wrong? Thanks
 
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What do you mean with "integrating twice"?
Show your steps.
 
The devil is in the details... could you show your integration work?

Keep in mind that to integrate you need a differential instead of derivative format. letting [itex]Y=\frac{dX}{dx}[/itex] your equation is of the form:
[tex]\frac{1}{X}\frac{dY}{dx} = -k^2[/tex] so
[tex]dY = -k^2 X dx[/tex]
Integrating doesn't work out directly:
[tex]Y(x)=k^2 \int X(x)dx[/tex]
You can try different integration by parts and substitutions... but eventually you come back to the problem of finding an integration factor for the original equation:

[tex]YdY = -k^2 XYdx = -k^2 XdX[/tex]
[tex]Y^2/2 = -k^2 X^2/2[/tex]
[tex]Y = -ik X[/tex]
[tex]dX = -ikX dx, dX/X = -ik dx[/tex]
[tex]X = e^{-ikx}[/tex]
(here I'm sloppy with the integration constants, you need to work them in.)
 
Jambaugh, thank you for the reply. But that was derivation with second order. You worked it out with first order, right?
 
One more question, if for x=0, X=0 then X=sinkx according to your result? Or would it be isinkx? Am just confused with the imaginary number..
 
Show your work, and we'll tell you where you are mistaken.
 
M. next said:
If we have [itex]\frac{1}{X(x)}[/itex] [itex]\frac{d^2 X}{dx^2}[/itex]=-κ^2, the literature is saying that the solution must be: e^(±iκx), but am always getting e^(±k^2x).

Isn't the approach is to decently integrate twice and then raise the ln by the exponential? Where am I going wrong? Thanks

It is just a constant coefficient equation ##X''+k^2X=0## with characteristic equation ##r^2+k^2=0##. So ##r=\pm ik##.
 

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