The classic second order differential equation

In summary, a second order differential equation is a mathematical equation used to model physical phenomena, particularly in science and engineering. The classic second order differential equation is important because it is fundamental in classical mechanics and has many real-life applications. It can be solved analytically or numerically. However, it may have limitations in accurately describing non-linear or chaotic systems and accounting for all external factors.
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If we have [itex]\frac{1}{X(x)}[/itex] [itex]\frac{d^2 X}{dx^2}[/itex]=-κ^2, the literature is saying that the solution must be: e^(±iκx), but am always getting e^(±k^2x).

Isn't the approach is to decently integrate twice and then raise the ln by the exponential? Where am I going wrong? Thanks
 
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What do you mean with "integrating twice"?
Show your steps.
 
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The devil is in the details... could you show your integration work?

Keep in mind that to integrate you need a differential instead of derivative format. letting [itex]Y=\frac{dX}{dx}[/itex] your equation is of the form:
[tex]\frac{1}{X}\frac{dY}{dx} = -k^2[/tex] so
[tex]dY = -k^2 X dx[/tex]
Integrating doesn't work out directly:
[tex] Y(x)=k^2 \int X(x)dx[/tex]
You can try different integration by parts and substitutions... but eventually you come back to the problem of finding an integration factor for the original equation:

[tex] YdY = -k^2 XYdx = -k^2 XdX[/tex]
[tex] Y^2/2 = -k^2 X^2/2[/tex]
[tex]Y = -ik X[/tex]
[tex]dX = -ikX dx, dX/X = -ik dx[/tex]
[tex] X = e^{-ikx}[/tex]
(here I'm sloppy with the integration constants, you need to work them in.)
 
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Jambaugh, thank you for the reply. But that was derivation with second order. You worked it out with first order, right?
 
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One more question, if for x=0, X=0 then X=sinkx according to your result? Or would it be isinkx? Am just confused with the imaginary number..
 
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Show your work, and we'll tell you where you are mistaken.
 
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M. next said:
If we have [itex]\frac{1}{X(x)}[/itex] [itex]\frac{d^2 X}{dx^2}[/itex]=-κ^2, the literature is saying that the solution must be: e^(±iκx), but am always getting e^(±k^2x).

Isn't the approach is to decently integrate twice and then raise the ln by the exponential? Where am I going wrong? Thanks

It is just a constant coefficient equation ##X''+k^2X=0## with characteristic equation ##r^2+k^2=0##. So ##r=\pm ik##.
 

1. What is a second order differential equation?

A second order differential equation is a mathematical equation that involves a function and its first and second derivatives. It is commonly used to model physical phenomena in science and engineering.

2. Why is the classic second order differential equation important?

The classic second order differential equation is important because it is a fundamental equation in classical mechanics and is used to describe the motion of objects under the influence of forces. It is also used in other areas of science and engineering to model various physical systems.

3. How do you solve a second order differential equation?

The process of solving a second order differential equation involves finding a function that satisfies the equation. This can be done analytically using various techniques such as separation of variables, substitution, or the method of undetermined coefficients. It can also be solved numerically using computer algorithms.

4. What are some real-life applications of the classic second order differential equation?

The classic second order differential equation has many real-life applications, such as predicting the motion of projectiles, modeling the behavior of pendulums, analyzing the vibrations of structures, and describing the motion of celestial bodies in space.

5. Are there any limitations to the classic second order differential equation?

While the classic second order differential equation is a powerful tool for modeling physical systems, it does have some limitations. It may not accurately describe non-linear or chaotic systems, and it may not account for all external factors that can influence a system's behavior. In these cases, more complex equations or numerical methods may be necessary.

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