The concept of 'unknowns' in equations

In summary, solving an equation means deducing a statement of the form "for all x, P(x) implies Q(x)", where P(x) is the given equation and Q(x) is a suitable solution formula. This concept is based on a binary distinction between known and unknown quantities, but it is possible to have different degrees or shades of unknownness depending on the context. In basic math, an unknown or variable is either known or unknown, with precise knowledge of its properties and value being necessary for it to be considered known. However, in other fields of study, such as probabilistic analyses, there may be more nuanced degrees of unknownness. Additionally, the concept of an unknown or variable is an informal way of speaking and is not a
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You can solve an equation with one unknown. You need two different equations for two unknowns, and so on.

This implies a binary distinction between 'known' and 'unknown'. But are there grades or shades of unknown? For instance, if you know that a variable is negative but not its magnitude, can that help solve an equation? If so, is there any field of study on what the different degrees of unknownness are?
 
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Jehannum said:
For instance, if you know that a variable is negative but not its magnitude, can that help solve an equation?
Sometimes, e. g. you can find a unique solution for ##x^2 = 4## if you know x is negative.
You can express this as an inequality, x<0, or directly specify the domain: ##x \in (-\infty,0) \subset \mathbb{R}##.

As long as you don't go to probabilistic analyses, all that knowledge can be expressed in one of the ways described above.
 
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Talking in the context of a specific problem in basic math, an entity or quantity is either known or unknown. In order to be labeled as known, it must fulfill some criteria or in other words, some properties of it must be precisely known, one of which is its value. If on the other hand there is even one such property that is not known, then the quantity is unknown.

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For instance, if you know that a variable is negative but not its magnitude, can that help solve an equation?

This is very abstract because it depends on what kind of "help" you mean here. It can help in a qualitative manner in general, but you still have to find its value, unless you're given more data about the variable. It may also be the case as mfb points out, that knowing about its sign, will help to choose among different solutions.
 
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Jehannum said:
You can solve an equation with one unknown.

That depends on what you mean by "solve". One can "solve" the equation x + 3 = x and obtain the result that there are no solutions.

In speaking of equations, I see no distinction between the term "unknown" and the term "variable". It is actually very difficult to give a precise mathematical definition of a "variable". It would require defining the concept of quantifiers and the concept of the scope of a variable.

This implies a binary distinction between 'known' and 'unknown'.

What implies a binary distinction between "known" and "unknown" ?
But are there grades or shades of unknown?

Are you looking for terminology that's based on the solution(s) of simultaneous equations ?
 
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The concept of an "unknown", or a variable with "unknown value" is an informal way of speaking. Mathematically, solving an equation, say, ##x^2+x-2 = 0##, is simply deducing a statement such as this: "##(\forall x)(x^2 +x - 2 = 0 \Rightarrow (x = 1 \text{ or } x = -2))##". Generally, if ##P(x)## denotes an equation in ##x##, then we want to derive a statement on the form ##(\forall x)(P(x) \Rightarrow Q(x))##, where ##Q(x)## is some satisfactory formula describing ##x##, which we call the solution to ##P(x)##. Usually ##Q(x)## is a formula on the form ##x = a##, but can also be things like ##1 = 0## which is a false statement in itself. In the latter case we say that ##P(x)## has no solutions. In the former case, we can replace an equation ##P(x)## with a suitable solution formula ##Q(x)##.

There is not really a mathematical thing called an "unknown". Formally, it's the usual business with variables, formulas and sentences. We speak of an unknown out of economical reasons, and the fact that writing things out with logical formality is more trouble than it's worth.
 
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The concept of an "unknown", or a variable with "unknown value" is an informal way of speaking. Mathematically, solving an equation, say, ##x^2+x-2 = 0##, is simply deducing a statement such as this: "##(\forall x)(x^2 +x - 2 = 0 \Rightarrow (x = 1 \text{ or } x = -2))##". Generally, if ##P(x)## denotes an equation in ##x##, then we want to derive a statement on the form ##(\forall x)(P(x) \Rightarrow Q(x))##, where ##Q(x)## is some satisfactory formula describing ##x##, which we call the solution to ##P(x)##. Usually ##Q(x)## is a formula on the form ##x = a##, but can also be things like ##1 = 0## which is a false statement in itself. In the latter case we say that ##P(x)## has no solutions. In the former case, we can replace an equation ##P(x)## with a suitable solution formula ##Q(x)##.

And what about ##P(x)## given as ##\sqrt{x^2+x+3} = x##? When you "solve" it you get ##Q(x)## as ##x=-3## which is clearly not the solution.
 
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pwsnafu said:
And what about ##P(x)## given as ##\sqrt{x^2+x+3} = x##? When you "solve" it you get ##Q(x)## as ##x=-3## which is clearly not the solution.

Good observation. Of course, what we do is derive a statement such as ##(\forall x)(P(x) \Leftrightarrow Q(x))## instead. It is usually easy to modify a potential solution ##Q(x)## (for which ##P(x) \Rightarrow Q(x)##) in order to get a proper solution ##Q(x)## (for which ##P(x) \Leftrightarrow Q(x)##) by testing each potential value of ##x##.
 

1. What are unknowns in equations?

Unknowns in equations refer to the variables or values that are not explicitly given or known. They are represented by letters such as x, y, or z and are typically solved for in order to find a specific solution to the equation.

2. How do you solve for unknowns in equations?

To solve for unknowns in equations, you can use algebraic methods such as combining like terms, isolating the variable, and using inverse operations. It is important to follow the order of operations and to perform the same operations on both sides of the equation to maintain balance.

3. Why are unknowns important in equations?

Unknowns are important in equations because they allow us to represent and solve for a wide range of situations and problems. They also allow us to generalize solutions and find patterns that can be applied to other equations and real-life scenarios.

4. Can equations have more than one unknown?

Yes, equations can have multiple unknowns. In fact, many real-life problems involve multiple variables that are related to each other, making it necessary to have multiple unknowns in the equation. These types of equations are often solved using systems of equations.

5. How do unknowns affect the complexity of an equation?

The number of unknowns in an equation can greatly affect its complexity. As the number of unknowns increases, so does the number of operations and steps required to solve the equation. Additionally, having multiple unknowns can make it more difficult to find a specific solution or to graph the equation accurately.

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