The Definition of Waves in Quantum Mechanics

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The discussion revolves around the definition and interpretation of waves in quantum mechanics, exploring concepts such as wavefunctions, wave-particle duality, and the nature of waves in relation to particles. Participants examine theoretical and conceptual aspects of waves, including their mathematical representation and implications in quantum systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a wave can be thought of as a particle with an unspecified position, suggesting multiple potential impact points on another object.
  • Others argue that a wave is a function defined in a higher-dimensional configuration space, with values in a vector space, and that it determines probabilities related to particle detection.
  • A participant mentions that waves represent collective behavior of particles, which cannot be explained by the independent behavior of individual particles.
  • There is a distinction made between "wave" and "wavefunction," with some suggesting that the latter refers to the probabilistic interpretation in quantum mechanics.
  • Some participants question the terminology of "wave-particle duality," suggesting that "field-particle duality" might be more appropriate, while others express uncertainty about this distinction.
  • A later reply discusses the oscillating quantity in a wavefunction as an abstract number, which when squared gives the probability of the system being in a particular state.
  • There are instances of sarcasm and dismissive remarks among participants, indicating a mix of serious inquiry and informal banter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of waves and wavefunctions in quantum mechanics, with no consensus reached on definitions or interpretations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of waves and wavefunctions, and the definitions used by participants may depend on their interpretations of quantum mechanics. Some mathematical steps and implications remain unresolved.

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I hear the term Wave used in extreme frequencies whenever Quantum Mechanics is discussed but I am not entirely sure what exactly is a wave.
Can a wave be thought as a particle whose position is unspecified with multiple areas where it may impact the surface of another object.
Or is a wave a group of particles bundled up?
thanks.
 
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A wave is a wave. It is a function on the configuration space (3n-dimensional for an n-particle system), not in the ordinary space. It has values in some vector space. For an electron with spin it will be 2 or 4 dimensional complex.

There are different kind of waves. Almost every parameter of a physical system can sometimes behave in a wavy way.

The "waves" in quantum theory of one particle determine the probabilities of the response of particle's detectors (you can try to detect position, momentum, energy, spin). Their generation and propagation depends on the whole experimental situation. The rest is in the math.
 
Wave is collective behavior of particles that can not be explained by independent behavior of each particle separately.
 
A wave in quantum mechanics is something that behaves like a wave.

Think 'oscillatory'.
 
I just want to be clear, are we talking about "wave" or "wavefuntion"? The former is Granpa's reading, the latter is the probabilistic reading of Zonde (I think)
 
Wave-particle duality may be a misnomer and Field-particle duality may be the right term.
 
Reylan said:
Wave-particle duality may be a misnomer and Field-particle duality may be the right term.

Then again, it might not be.
 
snackster17 said:
I hear the term Wave used in extreme frequencies whenever Quantum Mechanics is discussed but I am not entirely sure what exactly is a wave.
Can a wave be thought as a particle whose position is unspecified with multiple areas where it may impact the surface of another object.
Or is a wave a group of particles bundled up?
thanks.

The oscillating quantity in a quantum mechanics wavefunction (which is a wave) is an abstract number such that when it is squared, the new number is the probability that the system is in a particular state. A state may contain everything that is measurable about one or many particles including their locations, momenta, and energies.

Put another way, the oscillating quantity is the root of the probability of having a specific series of numbers describing a physical system, at time t (usually).
 
nismaratwork said:
Then again, it might not be.
Yet another form of uncertainty?
 
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Reylan said:
Yet another form of uncertainty?

No, I was dismissing what you said in a sarcastic fashion, if I recall. This was nearly 2 weeks ago... but that's how I remember it.
 
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nismaratwork said:
No, I was dismissing what you said in a sarcastic fashion, if I recall. This was nearly 2 weeks ago... but that's how I remember it.

Your dismissal that necessitated sarcasm is well appreciated... but you could have done better without it.
 
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Reylan said:
Your dismissal that necessitated sarcasm is well appreciated... but you could have done better without it.

Perhaps... it was a 6 word post 2 weeks ago, it's not ringing a lot of bells for me.
 

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