The Diagonal Method: Proving Sets are Infinite

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around Cantor's diagonal method for proving that certain sets, specifically the real numbers, are infinite and uncountable. Participants explore the implications of this method, its connection to other proofs, and the nature of bijections between different sets of numbers, including rationals and reals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek clarification on why Cantor's method is referred to as the "Diagonal Method."
  • One participant notes that Cantor's diagonal argument demonstrates that there is no one-to-one correspondence between natural numbers and real numbers, indicating differing cardinalities.
  • There is a request for an explanation of the connection between different proofs related to Cantor's method.
  • Another participant asserts that there is no bijection between the rationals and reals, emphasizing that the diagonal argument shows the reals are uncountable while the rationals are countable.
  • One participant corrects their earlier statement about the sets involved, clarifying that they meant integers and rationals instead of reals and rationals.
  • Another participant suggests that there are two variants of proofs regarding the countability of rationals, one being a diagonal argument and the other involving integer pairs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the number of proofs related to Cantor's method and the nature of bijections between sets. There is no consensus on the clarity of the diagonal method's naming or the connections between the proofs discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the links between proofs and the specific nature of the diagonal argument. The discussion includes assumptions about the countability of sets and the definitions of bijections.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in set theory, cardinality, and the foundations of mathematics may find this discussion relevant.

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Can anybody tell me the Canter Method of proving that certain sets are infinite? It is called as "Diagonal Method".
 
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Hey thanks, Zurtex! But from the first link, it does not become clear why it is called "Diagonal Method". Also, can you explain the link between first proof and second proof, please? Also, please tell me how to construct a bijection between Rationals & Reals.
 
Aditya89 said:
Hey thanks, Zurtex! But from the first link, it does not become clear why it is called "Diagonal Method". Also, can you explain the link between first proof and second proof, please?

See the wiipedia article, step 5 in the proof singles out the 'diagonal' terms of the list. I only count one proof in the links he gave.

Aditya89 said:
Also, please tell me how to construct a bijection between Rationals & Reals.

There isn't one. The diagonal argument shows the reals are uncountable while the rationals are countable.
 
Oh! I'm sorry for saying reals & rationals! It's integers and rationals! And why do you count only one proof?
 
The rationals are famously countable, try constructing the proof yourself. There are two variants. One is anothert kind of diagonal argument, and the other is by remembering that rational numbers are a subset of the pairs of integers.
 

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