The double slit experiment the same old

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The discussion revolves around the role of slits in the double slit experiment, particularly focusing on why they are necessary for observing interference patterns when electrons are fired. Participants explore the implications of the slits on the behavior of electrons and the resulting diffraction patterns, touching on both conceptual and mathematical aspects of the phenomenon.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the necessity of slits, suggesting that if electrons are shot without slits, they should produce similar interference effects, akin to water waves.
  • Another participant argues that shooting a stream of electrons without slits would not result in interference, implying that the presence of slits is crucial for this phenomenon.
  • A participant explains that the slits provide distinct paths for the particles, which is essential for creating the interference pattern, as the barriers restrict the possible paths the electrons can take.
  • Another contribution emphasizes the importance of understanding the geometry of wave situations and how it affects diffraction patterns, suggesting that a statistical approach can explain the formation of interference patterns over many particles.
  • One participant expresses a willingness to accept models that work well experimentally, even if they do not reveal an ultimate truth about the underlying physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of slits, with some arguing for their essential role in creating interference patterns while others question this necessity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of shooting electrons without slits.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for mathematical understanding to fully grasp the diffraction patterns, indicating that the discussion may depend on varying levels of familiarity with the underlying physics and mathematics.

Ott Rovgeisha
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A question...
Perhaps a dumb question...
A simple question... or maybe not...

In the experiment, why are the slits needed in the first place?
If one shoots electrons, then the edges of the slit must therefore do something with them in order to make them act the way the do: the seem to interfere to each other. If the edges have nothing to with it, the shooting electrons without the slits should produce the same phenomena... The edges themselves contain electrons at their outermost "shell"...

So... the dumb question is: what do the edges do ?
In case of water waves, it is rather clear, what happens (hopefully) because of the edges...

But no so clear to dumb old me...
Haven't come to any good explanation in the textbooks...

Why?

Is it so obvious that a person with brains should be able to deduce that like 2+2 just by looking at it?

Any ideas?

P.S
Thank you all kindly for the previous discussions at this forum!
 
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If you just shoot a stream of electrons there would be no reason for any interference. If there were, cathode ray TV sets would be all fuzzy.
 
Ott Rovgeisha said:
In the experiment, why are the slits needed in the first place?
Hi Ott,
the slits (openings) provide different possible paths for the particles (and the barrier(s) exclude some paths), see e.g this picture:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/phyopt/slits.html

And in the following case a single barrier ("filament") is used, and you can again see that there are different possible paths for the particles (the arrows in the picture):

http://www.hitachi.com/rd/portal/image/fig1.gif
(picture taken from this page: http://www.hitachi.com/rd/portal/research/em/doubleslit.html)
 
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The edges of the slits form a barrier that the electrons can't pass through. This restricts the possible paths they can take to just the slits, which is why the interference pattern is different with two slits than with no slits. With no slits the possible paths the electron can take are restricted based on where/what it was emitted from instead of being restricted by the slits.
 
There are (at least) two steps involved here. Firstly one needs to understand how the geometry of a situation involving waves can affect the diffraction pattern. That is fairly straightforward to do for simple cases and involves a bit of Maths.
Then one needs to understand - or accept that the statistics of where a 'particle' arrives (the probability density function) is a diffraction pattern, if the particles can be assigned with a particular wavelength (always - even when you can't spot haw that applies to a particular situation). It is then a reasonable jump / step to see how a large number of particles will eventually form a recognisable diffraction pattern.
There can be a certain amount of 'faith' involved in this until you realize that it has been demonstrated very many times by experiment that this particular model works very well. Personally, I don't have a great problem with this sort of thing because I don't find it necessary to believe in any particular 'ultimate truth' about what is 'really happening'. I am quite prepared to accept that a good enough model is good enough - within the limits that it applies. This model actually works well down into the higher orders of difficulty so it gets my vote.
 

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