The effect of modulus in the graph of a linear equation.

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The discussion revolves around understanding the effects of the modulus function in linear equations, specifically how it alters the graph of equations like y = |bx| + c compared to y = bx + c. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the implications of modulus in various parts of the equation and seeks clarification on the relationship between these forms and their graphical representations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore how the modulus affects the graph at critical points, particularly where the expression inside the modulus equals zero. They discuss the implications of different cases based on the sign of the expression within the modulus.

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Some participants have provided insights into how to interpret the modulus in the context of the equations, suggesting that the graph can be analyzed by breaking it into cases based on the sign of the expression inside the modulus. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these cases, but no consensus has been reached on a complete understanding.

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The original poster mentions a lack of understanding regarding how to graphically represent the equations and the specific points given in the homework statement. There is also a recognition of the complexity involved in interpreting the modulus in various equations.

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My problem is not knowing the effects of modulus in parts of an equation ( in this case linear ) on the parts of the graph. An elaboration will be like y = |bx| + c , what's the effect on the graph compared to y = bx + c and likewise : y = bx + |c| and y = bx + c or even y = b|x| + c compared to the normal y = bx + c. I believe there is a subtle difference. If so what is that because knowing the "relationship" will allow me to solve the problem.

Sorry, i know any genius like Einstein or Newton will have just find out by themselves but not everyone is like them :( My brain can't interpret such complicated -.- or perhaps someone with perseverence...

If possible, explain on this and i will do the question and not just give me the answer. Anyway the question is given below if you are interested.

Homework Statement


Firstly, i have no idea how to get the image of the graph here. Well, the shape looks like that /\ with the top end linked. y = a - |bx+c|
The follow points are given on the graph : x = -1.5 when y = 4 , x = 0 when y = 3 , x = -1 when y = 3. They both cut the x-axis twice. Find a,b,c and subsequently x-intercepts.

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This is "part" of my homework's question but i do not quite understand how modulus affect the graph in various parts of the equation. Therefore, i couldn't attempt the question.

Thanks in advance,
Sharkey
 
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Look at what is inside the "| |". Where is that equal to 0? The change in the graph will occur there. For example, if y= a- |bx+ c| then we look at bx+ c= 0 or x= -c/b. For x< -c/b, bx< c so bx+c< 0. |bx+c|= -(bx+ c) and so y= a- |bx+c|= y= a+ bx+ c, a straight line with slope b.

if x> -c/b, then bx+c> 0 and |bx+c|= bx+ c so y= a- bx- c, a straight line with slope -b.

In this problem, since we don't know what b and c are, we have treat it in cases.

Since a straight line is "one-to-one" and here we have y(0)=3, y(-1)= 3, the "break" must occur between -1 and 0. That is -1< -c/b< 0. Both -1.5 and -1 are less than -c/b so we have 4= a+ b(-1.5)+ c, 3=a+ b(-1)+ c. 0 is larger than -c/b so 3= a- b(0)- c.

That gives three equations to solve for a, b, and c.
 
I'm abit confused. Isn't modulus is about making what is inside | | positive ? then y= a- |bx+c| should result in y = a - bx -c ? Why there is y = a + bx + c? Perhaps my understanding of modulus isn't that strong lol.. but my teacher told us modulus means regarding it is positive or negative, it will become positive eventually.
 
|x|= x if x≥0; |x|= -x if x<0.

|x| is never negative.

So |2|=2 and |-2|=2.

|bx+c|=bx+c if x≥-c/b, and |bx+c|=-(bx+c) if x<-c/b.

ehild
 
sharkey1314 said:
I'm abit confused. Isn't modulus is about making what is inside | | positive ? then y= a- |bx+c| should result in y = a - bx -c ? Why there is y = a + bx + c? Perhaps my understanding of modulus isn't that strong lol.. but my teacher told us modulus means regarding it is positive or negative, it will become positive eventually.

Yes, it is about making what is inside | | positive. It doesn't mean that what is inside is already positive which is what you are trying to say. For example, in y= 2- |x+ 3|, if x= -4, then x+ 3= -4+ 3= -1< 0 so |x+3|= -(-1)= 1. y= 2- |x+3| becomes y= 2-1= 1 for x= -4. That is different from simply y= 2- x- 3= -x- 1 which is 0 for x= -4.

As ehild said, if [itex]x\ge 0[/itex], then |x|= x but if x< 0, then |x|= -x.

Here, if x> -3, x+3> 0 so |x+3|= x+3 and y= 2- |x+3| becomes y= 2-x-3= -x-1. But if x< -3, |x+3|= -(x+3)= -x-3 and y= 2-|x+3| becomes y= 2-(-x-3)= x+ 5.

The graph of y= -x-1 is a straight line with slope -1 so is a descending line.
Of course, that is the graph for this function only for x< -3.

The graph of y= x+ 5 is a straight line with slope 1 so is an increasing line.
That is the graph of this function for x> -3.

If x= -3, x+ 3= 0 so |x+ 3|= 0 and y= 2- |x+3|= 2.

Notice that if x= -3, y= -x-1 becomes y=-(-3)-1 = 3-1= 2 and if y= x+5= -3+ 5= 2 so the two line meet at (-3, 2). That's what gives the "upside down v" shape to the entire graph.
 
I get it. So essentially modulus means there isthree possibilities : negative, positive and zero. For negative, the modulus will be multiplied (-1) to make it positive whereas positive will be left as it is. Zero means the meeting point ? <== is it alwaysthe same case for other kind of equations like quadratic, cubic.

In summary, to approach such questions, have to form three possible equations and using these equations to solve ?
 
Yes, but it is only two cases, as |0|=0.

For example the function y=|x-1|is equivalent to

y=-x+1 if x<1 and y=x-1 if x≥1.

Or y=|x^2| is equivalent to y=x^2, as x^2 can not be negative, but

y=|x^3| is equivalent to y=-x^3 if x<0 and y=x^3 if x ≥0.

If you have something like y=|bx| , it is y=-bx if bx<0, that is when b and x are of opposite signs. Otherwise, when both b and x are positive or negative, bx>0 and |bx|=bx.ehild
 

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