The Effect of pulsed Microwaves on Bacteria

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the effects of pulsed microwaves on bacteria, specifically investigating the impact of pulsing at a power level of 50W for 10 seconds at a frequency of 2.45GHz. Participants explore the mechanisms of action, compare methodologies, and share experiences related to bacterial destruction using microwaves.

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  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express interest in literature regarding the mechanisms of pulsed microwaves on bacteria, seeking recommendations for relevant studies.
  • One participant outlines that the effects of microwaves on living organisms are not fully understood, suggesting that microwaves cause dipole moment excitations in polar molecules, leading to localized heating and potential thermal shock.
  • Another participant references historical research indicating that bacterial destruction via microwaves is primarily thermal, citing a specific paper from 1966 and mentioning personal patents related to the use of microwaves in sterilization of medical instruments.
  • Concerns are raised about the practical aspects of generating 50 watts of microwave energy, noting that domestic ovens are inadequate for this purpose and that specialized research equipment is required, which can be costly.
  • One participant shares their recent acquisition of equipment capable of varying microwave power and mentions challenges with reflected power during experimentation.
  • A later reply offers encouragement and suggests that the experimentation process can be challenging, inviting the original poster to list any specific problems they encounter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the mechanisms of microwave effects on bacteria are complex and not fully understood, with multiple perspectives on the role of thermal effects. However, there is no consensus on the specifics of these mechanisms or the best methodologies for experimentation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations related to the availability of equipment and the costs associated with generating the required microwave energy. There are also unresolved questions regarding the specific mechanisms of action and the effects of pulsing microwaves.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to researchers and practitioners in microbiology, biophysics, and medical instrument sterilization, as well as those exploring the applications of microwave technology in biological contexts.

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We are interested in looking at the effect of the pulsing of microwaves subjected to power and time of eg 50W for 10 seconds at 2.45GHz but pulsing the microwaves as well to investigate the added kill effect that the pulsing adds, comparing plate counts before irradiation, after non pulsed irradiation and then after pulsed irradiation.

Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations or does anyone know of any literature or papers and where we could get some pointers about the mechanism of action of the pulsing?

Cheers for nowAndy/Uncle Albert
 
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Well, http://dx.doi.org/10.1006/jtbi.2000.2123" .

As for the mechanism, I think it's safe to say the exact effects in living things are unknown. But to sketch out the general "physical chemistry of microwaves for biologists":

Microwaves correspond to dipole moment excitations in molecules; i.e. increased vibration and rotation of molecular bonds in polar molecules.
In a simple molecule (e.g. water) this quickly degrades into heat (vibration/rotation/bumping around in general), but in a delicate macromolecule (read: proteins, DNA, etc) the local 'heating up' of a single bond or two can lead to conformal changes/denaturation as the bond(s) could suddenly rotate well outside its 'usual' range. Which is also what's been observed.

The short answer is: 'heat'. But of course, usually when we talk heat we mean bulk heat which is evenly distributed. Whereas with microwaves, especially if you pulse them, you're more-or-less making specific spots very 'hot' very quickly; and things might occur before they 'cool down' again. (quotes because heat is really a macroscopic property) So you could view it as thermal shock, or partial thermal shock. (which may be worse, given that we're probably evolved to cope better with even heating)

Obviously both bulk heat itself and denaturation are capable of killing things, and in many different ways. But as a chemical physicist, figuring that bit out is not my department. :wink: But there's no single mechanism for sure, any more than there is for say, how cancer is caused.

(Note for layfolks: I'm not saying here that I believe microwave ovens/cellphones/wifi/etc are a significant health hazard. I do not. There's simply too little power. Suntanning is far worse)
 
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There have been many papers on killing bacteria with microwaves i.e. Olsen, C.M. et. al., J. Microwave Power, Vol 1, # 1 (1966) is a very early paper. It and following research indicates that all bacterial destruction is thermal. In my own case I have a number of patents using low levels of microwave energy to destroy bacteria on medical and dental instruments.

There is a more fundamental question: how to generate 50 watts of microwave energy. You cannot use a domestic oven to do this. It takes research equipment, and that's not cheap. Think $ 5,000 and higher. I have such an oven that sells for about $ 20,000. Pulsing is not difficult and the oven manufacturer can likely provide you with such a system.
 
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There have been many papers on killing bacteria with microwaves i.e. Olsen, C.M. et. al., J. Microwave Power, Vol 1, # 1 (1966) is a very early paper. It and following research indicates that all bacterial destruction is thermal. In my own case I have a number of patents using low levels of microwave energy to destroy bacteria on medical and dental instruments.

There is a more fundamental question: how to generate 50 watts of microwave energy. You cannot use a domestic oven to do this. It takes research equipment, and that's not cheap. Think $ 5,000 and higher. I have such an oven that sells for about $ 20,000. Pulsing is not difficult and the oven manufacturer can likely provide you with such a system.


We have just bought equipment that will allow us to vary the power setting from 0 to 300 W and have been playing around to find out what we can do with it. The problem we have at present is the reflected power but we are working on that aspect.
Thanks guys for your help. It has been really productive.

Andy
 
Andy
Good luck. This sort of experimenting is difficult - I've been doing it for 50 years. If you need help list your problems.
 

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