The elastic energy stored in a wire

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The discussion revolves around the elastic energy stored in a steel wire and the calculations related to the extension of the wire when subjected to a load. The problem involves understanding Young's modulus and the relationship between force, extension, and energy in elastic materials.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the extension of a steel wire and the elastic energy stored in it, referencing formulas related to Young's modulus. They express uncertainty about the calculation of elastic potential energy and seek clarification on the relevance of strain in the context of their problem.

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Participants are actively discussing the calculations involved in determining the extension of the wire and the elastic potential energy. Some have provided guidance on checking arithmetic and understanding the implications of strain, while others are exploring the relationship between force, extension, and energy without reaching a consensus on all points raised.

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There is mention of a specific strain value (0.0025) related to the elastic limit for steel, which some participants question regarding its relevance to the calculations being performed.

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A steel wire diameter 0.50mm and length 1.84m is suspended vertically from a fixed point and used to support a 60N weight hung from the lower end of the wire. The Young modulus for steel is 2.0 x 10^11 N m-2

a) The extension of the wire

b) The elastic energy stored in a wire given the elastic limit for steel is at a strain of 0.0025

Formula:
Δl=(lo F)/EA


a)Δl=(1.84m×60N)/((2.0×10^11 Nm-2) )×(Π×0.00025^2 ) ) = 2.81×10-3m or 2.81mm

I know the answer to a) is correct I found the book that the original question was taken from I also know the answer to b) is 84mJ but I have no clue where to even start any help would be greatly appreciated.

Also could someone check my calculations on the problem below as again I have the answer from the book but I cannot get the equation to work:

A crane used to lift iron girders on a building site has a steel lifting cable diameter 40 mm. When the crane lifts an iron girder of weight 10 kN, the cable length with the girder just off the ground is 75.0 m. Calculate
a) The extension of the cable for this length and load


Formula:
Δl=(lo F)/EA


Answer:
Δl=(75m×10kN)/((2.0×10^11 Nm-2) )×(Π×0.02^2 ) ) = 2.98×10-4 m or .298 mm


The answer in the book is 2.98×10-3 m or 2.98 mm I just can't work out where I am going wrong.
 
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Littlemonkey said:
I also know the answer to b) is 84mJ but I have no clue where to even start any help would be greatly appreciated.
How do you calculate elastic potential energy? (Compare to a stretched spring.)

Answer:
Δl=(75m×10kN)/((2.0×10^11 Nm-2) )×(Π×0.02^2 ) ) = 2.98×10-4 m or .298 mm


The answer in the book is 2.98×10-3 m or 2.98 mm I just can't work out where I am going wrong.
Double check your arithmetic.
 
Oh I am a balloon I was conviced that 75*10kN was only 75000N not 750000N. One down one to to go.

Thanks
 
Ok I have the answer:

Formula:
W = ½ force x extension
Answer:
W = ½ × 60 N × 2.81×10-3m = 8.43×10-2J or 84 mJ

One last question and its why it took me so long to work it out. Why is the strain of 0.0025 mentioned when it does not seem to be relevant when working out this answer.
 
Littlemonkey said:
Why is the strain of 0.0025 mentioned when it does not seem to be relevant when working out this answer.
To calculate the elastic potential energy you need to be assured that the elastic limit is not exceeded. It doesn't factor into the calculation.
 
That makes sense thanks Doc.
 

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