Calculating Elastic Modulus Using Steel Wire Stretching Data

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The discussion revolves around calculating the elastic modulus using data from a steel wire that stretches under a suspended mass. The problem involves understanding the relationship between force, area, and elongation in the context of Young's modulus.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to find the force and question the clarity of the problem regarding whether to find the force or the length of the wire. There is confusion about the percentage stretch and its interpretation, with some participants suggesting that the percentage might refer to the original length rather than a direct measurement.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have offered insights into the implications of the percentage stretch, which has led to a clearer understanding for at least one participant, although no consensus has been reached on the exact approach to take.

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There is uncertainty regarding the original length of the wire, which is typically provided in such problems. Additionally, the interpretation of the percentage stretch is under discussion, with some participants questioning its accuracy in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A steel wire 2.9mm in diameter stretches by 0.038{\rm \\%} when a mass is suspended from it. The elastic modulus for steel is 2.0×1011N/m2

*that {\rm \\%} value is in my homework, I assumed it was a mistake and was meant to be mm

Homework Equations


young's module for elasticity F/A=E(Δl/l)

The Attempt at a Solution


So to answer this I think I need to find F because that equals mg, so I'll just divide F by 9.8.

However I'm not given l so inserting the numbers into the equation I get
F/ [(.5*.0029)^2*π]=2.0*10^11{[(l+.00038)-l]/l}
There are two unknowns and I don't know about other equations to answer this problem, usually original length is given so I'm very confused.
 
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GiovanniG said:

Homework Statement


A steel wire 2.9mm in diameter stretches by 0.038{\rm \\%} when a mass is suspended from it. The elastic modulus for steel is 2.0×1011N/m2

*that {\rm \\%} value is in my homework, I assumed it was a mistake and was meant to be mm

Homework Equations


young's module for elasticity F/A=E(Δl/l)

The Attempt at a Solution


So to answer this I think I need to find F because that equals mg, so I'll just divide F by 9.8.

However I'm not given l so inserting the numbers into the equation I get
F/ [(.5*.0029)^2*π]=2.0*10^11{[(l+.00038)-l]/l}
There are two unknowns and I don't know about other equations to answer this problem, usually original length is given so I'm very confused.
It's not clear what you are supposed to find here, F or the length of the wire.
 
The exact question is "How large is the mass?"
 
GiovanniG said:
The exact question is "How large is the mass?"
What if instead of the wire stretching by 0.038 mm, it stretched by 0.038% of its original length?
 
SteamKing said:
What if instead of the wire stretching by 0.038 mm, it stretched by 0.038% of its original length?

That makes so much more sense and I was able to solve it, thank you so much I was working on this problem forever :)
 

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