The Importance of Physical Modeling in Engineering: Insights from an EE Student

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The discussion centers around the significance of physical modeling in engineering, particularly from the perspective of an electrical engineering (EE) student. Participants share their experiences and opinions on the time spent on physical models, the relationship between models and final projects, and the perceived value of physical modeling in various engineering contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that they spend considerable time on theoretical modeling for operational capabilities but not on physical models, emphasizing the importance of empirical testing after system construction.
  • Another participant argues that while physical models can enhance system performance, simple models may suffice for basic functionality, depending on the system being modeled.
  • A different contribution highlights that empirical testing is essential for meeting design standards, although fine-tuning may be an incidental benefit.
  • One participant describes their extensive use of engine models to establish operational feasibility and to assist customers, indicating that the importance of models varies based on the criticality of the components being modeled.
  • There is a suggestion that the effectiveness of physical modeling may depend on the specific system and its parameters, with some systems requiring more detailed modeling than others.

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Participants express varying views on the importance and application of physical modeling, with no clear consensus on its overall value or necessity across different engineering contexts.

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Participants mention different approaches to modeling, including theoretical versus physical models, and the role of empirical testing, indicating that the discussion is influenced by specific engineering disciplines and project requirements.

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I was hoping to get some input from someone in an engineering field about how important physical modeling is to you.

for example: how long do you spend on it, how closely does the model resemble the final project, do you think it's vital or a waste of time, or does your place of business even do it?

I'm asking because I'm in an EE class that is supposed to resemble an actual job. We're making a autonomous robot and he was VERY displeased with our physical model...so it got me wondering
 
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Number2Pencil said:
I was hoping to get some input from someone in an engineering field about how important physical modeling is to you.

for example: how long do you spend on it, how closely does the model resemble the final project, do you think it's vital or a waste of time, or does your place of business even do it?

I'm asking because I'm in an EE class that is supposed to resemble an actual job. We're making a autonomous robot and he was VERY displeased with our physical model...so it got me wondering

I spend a significant amount of time theoretically modeling systems for either operational capabilities or design specifications but none on physical models. However we do verify the theoretical model by empirical testing once the system is built.

I suppose it would depend on what system you are modelling though.

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IMO physical model is important to make a system works better. If one just want the system works, then sometimes very simple model reduces the design time. Empirical testing on prototype can be a quick way to tune the performance of a system. But it would be hard to tune if the system has many parameters and optimal performance is required. Anyway it depends on what specific system you are modeling.
 
luben said:
Empirical testing on prototype can be a quick way to tune the performance of a system. But it would be hard to tune if the system has many parameters and optimal performance is required.

Empirical testing is required by most design standards to ensure the design is appropriate (safe) - not to fine tune it. However, fine tuning may be a coincidental benefit.

CS
 
We spend a lot of time and effort on our engine models. They are first used to get the thermodynamic cycle operational and make sure it is even feasible. Once the actual engine is being worked, we update the model based on test results. Once that is done, we use those models to help potential customers determine if the engine will suit their needs from an aircraft performance standpoint. They are also used to answer a myriad of other questions that eventually pop up. These models are very important to our company.

As far as component models and subsystems, I guess it all depends on the criticality of the model. A lot of times a simple model is sufficient.
 

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