The logic of a physical system

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of a lattice in classical mechanics and quantum mechanics, known as the logic of the physical system. While some may mistakenly think that the members of the logic represent statements about measurement results, they actually correspond to equivalence classes of pairs (A,E) where A is an observable and E is a set of real numbers. The question then arises if there is a theory-independent definition of an equivalence relation on these pairs that can be mapped onto the logic. Additional thought leads to the conclusion that this can be achieved by defining the terms "state" and "observable" in a theory-independent way and considering an equivalence class of observables rather than a single observable in the pairs.
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In both classical and quantum mechanics, there's a lattice called the logic of the physical system. In CM, it's the set of all subsets of phase space. In QM, it's the set of all closed subspaces of a Hilbert space. Sloppy presentations of this subject say that the members of the logic represent statements of the form

"A measurement using measuring device A will, with probability 1, have a result in the set E".

But the members of the logic can't correspond to such statements, at least not bijectively. The set of statements of this form are in bijective correspondence with pairs (A,E), where A is a measuring device and E is a set of real numbers. The subset of the classical phase space that corresponds to a given pair (A,E) is the set of all states that would make the corresponding statement true. This set doesn't uniquely determine the pair (A,E). For example, the set of states that make (A,ℝ) true is the same as the set of states that make (B,ℝ) true. It's the set of all states, i.e. the phase space itself.

So the members of the logic can at best correspond to some sort of equivalence classes of such pairs. My question is, is there a theory-independent definition (i.e. one that works with both CM and QM) of an equivalence relation ~ on the set S of (A,E) pairs, such that the set of equivalence classes S/~ can be mapped bijectively onto the logic?
 
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After some additional thought, I think the answer is that we first define the terms "state" and "observable" in a theory-independent way. (Araki does this on the first few pages of "Mathematical theory of quantum fields"). Then we let the A in the pair (A,E) be an observable (an equivalence class of measuring devices), not a single measuring device. Finally, we define an equivalence relation on the set of (A,E) pairs, by saying that (A,E)~(B,F) if, for each state, the statement corresponding to (A,E) is true if and only if the statement corresponding to (B,F) is true.
 

1. What is the logic of a physical system?

The logic of a physical system refers to the underlying principles and rules that govern how the system operates and behaves. It encompasses the physical laws, mathematical equations, and other fundamental concepts that explain the behavior and interactions of the system.

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Understanding the logic of a physical system is crucial for predicting its behavior and making accurate observations and measurements. It also allows scientists to develop theories and models that can be used to explain and predict the behavior of similar physical systems.

3. How is the logic of a physical system determined?

The logic of a physical system is determined through scientific experimentation and observation. Scientists use various tools and methods to gather data and analyze the behavior of the system, which then leads to the formulation of theories and principles that explain its logic.

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5. How does the logic of a physical system relate to other fields of science?

The logic of a physical system is interconnected with other fields of science, such as physics, chemistry, biology, and astronomy. These fields often overlap and use similar principles and laws to understand and explain the behavior of different physical systems. The logic of a physical system can also be applied to other areas, such as engineering and technology, to design and create new systems.

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