The Logic that Suggests all Serious Physicists Believe in God

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The discussion centers on the relationship between mass, energy, and the nature of existence, proposing that mass is fundamental to the observable universe, as it underlies gravity, relativity, quantum effects, and biological life. The equivalence of mass and energy, as articulated in Einstein's theory, leads to the assertion that if energy is merely a concept, then mass must also be conceptual, implying a thinker behind the universe—suggestively, God. This notion raises questions about the nature of reality and whether concepts like mass and energy can exist independently of a substantial foundation. Participants debate whether mass and energy are merely measurements or if they represent something more substantial, with some arguing that the lack of a defined substance behind these concepts leads to logical inconsistencies. The conversation touches on metaphysical implications, with some participants suggesting that a universal consciousness or creator might be necessary to explain the existence of the universe, while others emphasize the need for a more scientific understanding of energy and mass as measurable properties rather than abstract concepts.
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Or there was never anything miraculous about life in the first place.
 
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Tournesol said:
Or there was never anything miraculous about life in the first place.

When used as a figure of speech, it is quite appropriate as a characterization of life.
 
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Les Sleeth said:
I’ve quoted science writer Paul Davies before writing in his book Superforce about energy, “When an abstract concept becomes so successful that it permeates through to the general public, the distinction between real and imaginary becomes blurred. . . . This is what happened in the case of energy. . . . Energy is . . . an imaginary, abstract concept which nevertheless has become so much a part of our everyday vocabulary that we imbue it with concrete existence.”

I don't know who Paul Davies is, but assuming he holds the opinions common to most physicists he is probably stating that Energy is a human concept.

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Les Sleeth said:
If energy is a thought, mass is a thought. A thought requires a thinker.

But at this stage in your logic chain, the thinkers are probably already known, people, particularly physicists.

Les Sleeth said:
The thinker proposed powerful enough to manifest the universe is God.

God would have to have a concept of energy because of the way the universe behaves. I'm sure it wouldn't be the same as ours though.
 
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