The Long Emergency : What do you think?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the predictions made in "The Long Emergency" by James Howard Kunstler, focusing on the implications of declining oil reserves and increasing population. Participants explore the potential consequences of a "post oil" world, the viability of alternative energy sources, and the timeline for socio-economic impacts.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern over Kunstler's predictions of imminent socio-economic collapse due to oil depletion, suggesting that the timeline is uncertain.
  • Several contributors propose nuclear energy as a potential stopgap solution, though opinions vary on its long-term viability and the availability of uranium.
  • Some argue that alternative energy sources like wind, solar, and hydroelectric power are currently too expensive and insufficient to meet future demands.
  • There is a suggestion that future technologies, such as fusion, may provide a more sustainable energy solution, though skepticism remains about their feasibility.
  • Participants discuss the potential for market forces to adapt to oil scarcity, including increased prices leading to changes in consumer behavior and transportation methods.
  • Some express doubt about the inevitability of catastrophe, citing human ingenuity and technological advancement as factors that could mitigate the crisis.
  • Concerns are raised about the possibility of freshwater shortages being a more immediate threat than oil depletion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the predictions made by Kunstler or the timeline for potential crises. There are multiple competing views regarding the effectiveness of nuclear energy, the role of alternative energy sources, and the likelihood of socio-economic collapse.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include varying estimates on the longevity of uranium supplies and the potential for technological advancements to alter energy landscapes. Some participants note biases in data regarding energy sources and population stabilization.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in energy policy, environmental science, and socio-economic impacts of resource depletion may find the discussion relevant.

  • #31
"extimating"?
 
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  • #32
russ_watters said:
"extimating"?
Perhaps a conflation of "estimation" and "extermination."

If I may, Russ is acknowledging a situation as it is. Sub-saharan Africa is in a very bad position re AIDS. From any angle you check, nearly 20% of the population is carrying HIV. For more detail see the following link.

http://www.avert.org/aafrica.htm

In it it says:
HIV prevalence rates vary greatly between African countries. In Somalia and Senegal the prevalence is under 1% of the adult population, whereas in South Africa and Zambia around 15-20% of adults are infected.

In four southern African countries, the national adult HIV prevalence rate has risen higher than was thought possible and now exceeds 20%. These countries are Botswana (24.1%), Lesotho (23.2%), Swaziland (33.4%) and Zimbabwe (20.1%).

West Africa has been less affected by HIV, but the prevalence rates in some countries are creeping up. Prevalence is estimated to exceed 5% in Cameroon (5.4%), Côte d'Ivoire (7.1%) and Gabon (7.9%).

Until recently the national prevalence rate has remained relatively low in Nigeria, the most populous country in Sub-Saharan Africa. The rate has grown slowly from below 2% in 1993 to 3.9% in 2005. But some states in Nigeria are already experiencing HIV infection rates as high as those now found in Cameroon. Already around 2.9 million Nigerians are estimated to be living with HIV.
These are statistics through 2005. It's grim.
 
  • #33
Not a conflation, just sloping typing leaving me one key low on the keyboard. And yes, I'm aware of the gravity of the situation there, I'm just wondering approximately when Russ suspects Africa's lack of what he deems 'affluency' will take to "kill off the entire continent."
 
  • #34
I'm really not sure what you are asking, kyleb - I thought I answered you with post 29.
 
  • #35
You answered in regard to 'some places', I'm asking in regard to the entire continent.
 
  • #36
One of the hardships expected by Mr. K is the collapse of technical research due to the loss of the cheap energy to power all of our labs. Again, I think his prediction is a bit early and sudden. I would expect a long taper from oil. But nonetheless without petrolium-powered electricity, we cannot power (all of) our huge accelerators and fusion labs. This suggests a bit of a race to find the "fusion solution" before petrolium completely dries up.

And in my days of pessimism, I do enjoy being told that I am wrong, so have at it all.
 
  • #37
kyleb said:
You answered in regard to 'some places', I'm asking in regard to the entire continent.
Different things are going to happen to different countries. Some countries, like Egypt, will probably never be so overrun with AIDS that they will collapse. Are you looking for me to write a hundred page report on how AIDS will affect Africa? Sorry, it ain't going to happen.
 
  • #38
No, I'm just asking you your exstimate of a date in regard to this:
russ_watters said:
Africa is going to take care of itself one way or another: either it'll become more affluent or AIDS will kill off the entire continent.
 

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