The minimum KE required for muons to travel a given distance

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the minimum kinetic energy required for muons to travel a distance of 840 meters after being produced in a laboratory collision. The problem involves concepts from special relativity, particularly relating to the mass-energy equivalence of muons and their half-life in different frames of reference.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants express confusion regarding whether the given mass of the muon is total energy or kinetic energy. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between energy, mass, and velocity using relativistic equations.
  • Some participants question how to derive the required speed of the muons and the implications of the half-life in the muon's rest frame versus the lab frame.
  • There are discussions about calculating the Lorentz factor (γ) and its relationship to the kinetic energy of the muons.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to calculate the necessary parameters. Some have suggested using the relationship between distance, time, and speed to find γ, while others are attempting to clarify the need for calculating speed in relation to kinetic energy. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of special relativity and are trying to reconcile the given information about muon mass and half-life with the requirements of the problem. There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of relativistic equations.

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Homework Statement


Muons of Kinetic energy 'E' are produced in collision with a target in a laboratory. The mass of a muon is ##106MeV/c^2## and its half life in it's rest frame is ## 1.4 * 10^{-6}## in its rest frame. what should be the minimum KE such that more than half of the muons createdwould travel a distance of 840 m to reach a detector from the target?

Homework Equations


## \Delta T_0= \gamma \Delta T'##
## \Delta x_0= \gamma (\Delta x'+v\Delta T')##
## E = (\gamma - 1)mc^2##

The Attempt at a Solution


I am bit confused since the mass is given in terms of energy/c^2. I do not know if the energy represented is Total energy or kinetic energy. If its KE, I can write the answer right away as 106 MeV and if its total energy then from ## E = (\gamma - 1)mc^2 ## ## \gamma mc^2 ## is the total energy
therefore 106 = E + mc^2 and from here E becomes 0 so both idea seems nonsensical to me.
So then it tells me I have to find ## \gamma ##. However I do not know how to get it from the info given.
Please help!
 
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Rahulrj said:
I am bit confused since the mass is given in terms of energy/c^2. I do not know if the energy represented is Total energy or kinetic energy.
Please help!

##106MeV/c^2## is the rest mass of the muon. These units are useful because you can get the energy of the muon from:

##E = \gamma mc^2 = \gamma 106 MeV##

as the factors of ##c^2## cancel.

To solve this problem you need to do two things:

a) Find out the required speed of the muons.

b) Calculate the required KE from the speed.
 
PeroK said:
##106MeV/c^2## is the rest mass of the muon. These units are useful because you can get the energy of the muon from:

##E = \gamma mc^2 = \gamma 106 MeV##

as the factors of ##c^2## cancel.

To solve this problem you need to do two things:

a) Find out the required speed of the muons.

b) Calculate the required KE from the speed.
How can I find speed since I am unable to find ## \gamma## ?
the distance given is 840 m in lab frame and the time given is the half life in muons frame, So dividing them does not make sense and moreover v then becomes 2c. So can you give a hint on how to calculate speed?

I figured I can find ##\gamma ## from ##E^2 = (pc)^2+ (E_0)^2##
and it gives me ##\gamma = 2 ##. am I right?
 
Rahulrj said:
How can I find speed since I am unable to find ## \gamma## ?
the distance given is 840 m in lab frame and the time given is the half life in muons frame, So dividing them does not make sense and moreover v then becomes 2c. So can you give a hint on how to calculate speed?

This is a general problem in SR. You can look at it two ways.

1) In the lab frame, the faster the muon travels the longer it lives. The distance traveled in this time is a function of ##\gamma## and ##v##, but ##\gamma## is a function of ##v##, so you should be able to solve for ##v##.

2) In the muon's frame, the faster the lab is moving, the more the lab is length contracted. You should get the same equation for ##v## (and ##\gamma##) as you did above.
 
PeroK said:
This is a general problem in SR. You can look at it two ways.

1) In the lab frame, the faster the muon travels the longer it lives. The distance traveled in this time is a function of ##\gamma## and ##v##, but ##\gamma## is a function of ##v##, so you should be able to solve for ##v##.

2) In the muon's frame, the faster the lab is moving, the more the lab is length contracted. You should get the same equation for ##v## (and ##\gamma##) as you did above.
I do not see the need for calculating speed since I found that ##\gamma = 2## like I said in the above comment therefore ##E= (\gamma - 1)mc^2## which gives me 106 MeV as the answer. I do not understand why calculate KE from speed.
 
Rahulrj said:
I do not see the need for calculating speed since I found that ##\gamma = 2## like I said in the above comment therefore ##E= (\gamma - 1)mc^2## which gives me 106 MeV as the answer. I do not understand why calculate KE from speed.

How did you get ##\gamma = 2##?
 
PeroK said:
How did you get ##\gamma = 2##?
Oh I was wrong, I made a mistake in substitution using ##E^2 = (pc)^2+ (E_0)^2##.
So then like you said using the equation
Rahulrj said:
Δx0=γ(Δx′+vΔT′)
I am only able to get ##v=2c/\gamma##
Don't see how this helps which was why I tried using the other equation to find ##\gamma##
 
Rahulrj said:
Oh I was wrong, I made a mistake in substitution using ##E^2 = (pc)^2+ (E_0)^2##.
So then like you said using the equation

I am only able to get ##v=2c/\gamma##

That's correct. Remember that ##1/\gamma^2 = 1- \frac{v^2}{c^2}##, so just square that equation and solve for ##v##, then get ##\gamma##.
 
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PeroK said:
That's correct. Remember that ##1/\gamma^2 = 1- \frac{v^2}{c^2}##, so just square that equation and solve for ##v##, then get ##\gamma##.
Ah yes indeed, all long I forgot what \gamma was. So I get v = 0.894 c
and now how do I find KE directly from v? or were you referring to the equation ##E= (\gamma - 1)mc^2)## where I find \gamma by substituting for v?
 
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Rahulrj said:
Ah yes indeed, all long I forgot what \gamma was. So I get v = 0.894 c
and now how do I find KE directly from v? or were you referring to the equation ##E= (\gamma - 1)mc^2)## where I find \gamma by substituting for v?

Once you have ##v## you can calculate ##\gamma##. Then, you have the kinetic energy ##T = (\gamma -1)mc^2##
 
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PeroK said:
Once you have ##v## you can calculate ##\gamma##. Then, you have the kinetic energy ##T = (\gamma -1)mc^2##
Thank you
 

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