Special relativity muon example

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The discussion revolves around a standard example of special relativity involving muons and their mean lifetime as measured in a laboratory. The original poster presents a calculation regarding the distance a muon should travel before decaying and contrasts this with the observed fraction of muons detected at sea level, prompting questions about relativistic effects and definitions of proper length and time.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definitions of proper length and proper time, questioning how these concepts apply to the muon's frame versus the Earth's frame. There is an attempt to reconcile the calculations with the observed phenomena, leading to discussions about length contraction and time dilation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the definitions and implications of proper length and time in different reference frames. Some guidance has been offered regarding the proper length of the atmosphere and its consistency across frames, while others are exploring the nuances of how proper time is frame-dependent.

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The discussion is framed within the context of a homework problem, with participants adhering to the constraints of not providing direct solutions but rather exploring the underlying concepts and definitions related to special relativity.

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Homework Statement


Here's a standard example of special relativity in action:

The mean lifetime of the muon as measured in a laboratory is about 2µs (rounded to 1 s.f.). Thus, the typical distance traveled by a muon should be about ##3\times 10^8ms^{-1}\times 2\times 10^6s = 600m##. The atmosphere is about 20 km thick, so the fraction reaching Earth should be about ##e^{\frac{-20km}{0.6km}} = e^{-33}## ≈ 0. However, we detect ∼ 1% at sea level! How can we explain this?

Homework Equations


##l = \frac{l_0}{\gamma}##
##t = \gamma t_0##

The Attempt at a Solution


Here ##\gamma## is about 7. This is probably just me being really stupid, but this is a worked example we've been given and in the solution, it says that the length according to the muon in the muon's frame is ##\frac{20km}{7} = 3km##.

I thought that in the equation ##l = \frac{l_0}{\gamma}##, ##l_0## was the 'proper length' - the length measured in the rest frame of the muon. Well, that would make the length the muon sees ##20 \times 7##. wouldn't it? That's obviously wrong, because length in the moving frame contracts. So do I just have the definitions of ##l## and ##l_0## the wrong way round? Or worse, do I have them the right way round but their definitions wrong?
 
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Kara386 said:
I thought that in the equation ##l = \frac{l_0}{\gamma}##, ##l_0## was the 'proper length' - the length measured in the rest frame of the muon.
Yes, ##l_0## is the proper length, but proper length means the length of something as measuring from its rest frame. Here we are talking about the "length" of the atmosphere, so 20 km is the proper length and ##l## is the distance measured from the muon's moving frame.
 
Doc Al said:
Yes, ##l_0## is the proper length, but proper length means the length of something as measuring from its rest frame. Here we are talking about the "length" of the atmosphere, so 20 km is the proper length and ##l## is the distance measured from the muon's moving frame.
So the proper length of the atmosphere is the same in lots of different frames, but proper time is specific to each frame? So for the muon, proper times are times measured in its frame, but if we chose Earth's frame, while the proper length of the atmosphere is the same, proper times are different, right?
 
Kara386 said:
So for the muon, proper times are times measured in its frame, but if we chose Earth's frame, while the proper length of the atmosphere is the same, proper times are different, right?
Clocks always measure 'proper time'. Here, the muon itself acts like a clock, so from the Earth's viewpoint the decaying muon is a clock that runs slow.
 

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