The 'New International Energy Order'

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a "new international energy order," focusing on the geopolitical implications of rising oil and gas prices, shifting alliances among nations, and the potential for energy conflicts reminiscent of the Cold War. Participants explore various energy sources, including coal and nuclear power, and the strategies of countries like the US, Russia, China, and Iran in the global energy landscape.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that nations with large energy reserves are gaining political and military influence, particularly Russia and Venezuela.
  • There is a suggestion that the US is losing allies and influence in a new cold war scenario, with a focus on energy resources.
  • One participant proposes investigating the conversion of US coal deposits into clean-burning synthetic gas as a potential solution.
  • Multiple participants advocate for nuclear power as a preferable energy source, while expressing concerns about the practicality of nuclear-powered vehicles.
  • Concerns are raised about the militarization of Africa by the US and the formation of alliances between China, Iran, and Venezuela.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of China’s approach to oil development, which involves direct cash payments and bypassing speculative markets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of the new international energy order, with no clear consensus on the best energy solutions or the future geopolitical landscape. Disagreements exist regarding the viability of nuclear power and the effectiveness of US energy strategies.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various geopolitical dynamics and energy strategies without fully resolving the complexities of these issues. There are assumptions about the motivations and actions of different countries that remain unexamined.

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Oil [and Gas] and the 'New International Energy Order'
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89565453
Fresh Air from WHYY, April 14, 2008 · With both the cost of and demand for oil rising, nations with large energy reserves are redrawing political and military alliances, and oil-rich countries like Russia and Venezuela are enjoying greater influence. Michael Klare, author of Rising Power, Shrinking Planet, calls it the "new international energy order."

Klare is the director of the Five College Program in Peace and World Security Studies based at Hampshire College in Amherst, Mass. He is the author of several books, including Blood and Oil, which examines the danger of American's dependence on foreign oil, and Rogue States and Nuclear Outlaws, a study of new American foreign policy.
The US has been outmaneuvered by Russia, China and other states with gas and oil. Putin has retaken control of oil and gas in Russia under Gazprom, and US has lost whatever they invested in the Russian market.

The US has established Africom (the US Africa Command) - and it appears that Africa will be militarized.

China is forming alliances with Iran and Venezula.

Russia, Iran and Qatar are considering forming a GPEC (OPEC for natural gas).

Russia and China formed the Shanghai Cooperation Organziation (SCO) in 1996 with other central asian states, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tadjikistan. There is a security dimension both in military cooperation and energy.

So perhaps we'll see the energy wars along the lines of the Cold War.
 
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seems like the common denominator is not-an-alliance-with-the-US-policy. I am afraid the US is going to have less allies in this 'cold war'.

But hope is on the way...Me myself for instance is investigating how to turn US' large coal depository into clean burning synthetic gas.
 
Nuclear power would be better. Also, if we could just tap all the oil we already have it would certainly help!
 
drankin said:
Nuclear power would be better. Also, if we could just tap all the oil we already have it would certainly help!

I don't know if I want my car to run on a nuclear reactor?:rolleyes:
 
Astronuc said:
Oil [and Gas] and the 'New International Energy Order'
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89565453
The US has been outmaneuvered by Russia, China and other states with gas and oil. Putin has retaken control of oil and gas in Russia under Gazprom, and US has lost whatever they invested in the Russian market.

The US has established Africom (the US Africa Command) - and it appears that Africa will be militarized.

China is forming alliances with Iran and Venezula.

Russia, Iran and Qatar are considering forming a GPEC (OPEC for natural gas).

Russia and China formed the Shanghai Cooperation Organziation (SCO) in 1996 with other central asian states, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tadjikistan. There is a security dimension both in military cooperation and energy.

So perhaps we'll see the energy wars along the lines of the Cold War.


This may be even worse than the cold war because it is going to affect a lot more people in this country. Many Americans were barely aware that there was a cold war.

From what I have observed with China, they tend to go into a country and pay cash up front to develop an entire oil field. Then they pump the oil and pay a predetermined price for it. The oil entirely bypasses the speculative markets that drive up our prices.
 
jaap de vries said:
I don't know if I want my car to run on a nuclear reactor?:rolleyes:

Your car would run on electricity, jaap, electricty produced by nuclear power plants. I hope you weren't being serious.
 

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