The number of nuclei in 1 gram of copper (Cu)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the number of nuclei in 1 gram of copper-62 (^{62}Cu). Participants explore different methods for this calculation, examining the correctness of conversion factors and assumptions involved in the calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 presents two methods for calculating the number of nuclei in 1 gram of ^{62}Cu, with differing results.
  • Post 2 suggests that Method 2 is correct and provides an approximation based on Avogadro's number and the number of nucleons in ^{62}Cu.
  • Post 3 identifies an error in Method 1 regarding the conversion factor used for moles and amu, clarifying that 61.932586 amu refers to the mass of one atom, not one mole.
  • Post 4 expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by another participant.
  • Post 5 thanks another participant for their quick response and helpfulness.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Method 2 is correct, while there is disagreement regarding the validity of Method 1, which some participants challenge based on the conversion factors used.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential confusion between atomic mass units and grams in the context of mole calculations, as well as the assumptions made in approximating the number of nuclei.

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[itex]^{62}Cu[/itex] is 61.932586 amu. I would like to know how many exposed nuclei are in 1.0 gram of [itex]^{62}Cu[/itex]. I have two calculations below, hopefully one of them is correct...

Method 1.

1.0 gram [itex]^{62}Cu[/itex] x [itex]\frac{1 kg}{1000 g}[/itex] x [itex]\frac{1 amu}{1.660566 x 10^{-27}kg}[/itex] x [itex]\frac{1 mole ^{62}Cu}{61.932586 amu}[/itex] x [itex]\frac{6.022 x 10^{23} nuclei}{1 mole ^{62}Cu}[/itex] = 5.8555 x 10[itex]^{45}[/itex] [itex]^{62} Cu[/itex] nuclei

Method 2.

1.0 gram [itex]^{62}[/itex]Cu x [itex]\frac{1 mole ^{62}Cu}{61.932586 grams}[/itex] x [itex]\frac{6.022 x 10^{23} nuclei}{1 mole ^{62}Cu}[/itex] = 9.723 x 10[itex]^{21}[/itex] [itex]^{62}Cu[/itex] nuclei
 
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As an approximation you can consider one gram of matter to contain Avogadro's number worth of nucleons; since Cu-62 has 62 nucleons, the number of nuclei is Av./62 = 9.713e21.

So your method 2 is correct. Can you see what went wrong in the first method?
 
In Method 1 the conversion factor 1 mole 62Cu = 61.932586 amu is incorrect. In method 2 you have the correct conversion factor, 1 mole 62Cu = 61.932586 g.

61.932586 amu is the mass of one atom of 62Cu.

[UltrafastPED slipped in before I finished typing!]
 
jtbell, thanks! I don't think I could have arrived at that conclusion on my own...
 
:smile: UltraFastPED, thanks as well for your quick response... appreciate the help, as well as the rule of thumb you mentioned
 

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