The possibility of IEC and Earnshaw's theorem

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The discussion revolves around the concept of Inertial Electrostatic Confinement (IEC) and its relationship to Earnshaw's theorem, particularly in the context of plasma confinement for nuclear fusion. Participants explore the implications of Earnshaw's theorem on the feasibility of IEC as a confinement method.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Griffiths' statement that Earnshaw's theorem rules out electrostatic confinement, questioning how IEC can exist under this premise.
  • Another participant explains that IEC utilizes electrostatic forces to accelerate ions, suggesting that this acceleration means it does not operate under stable equilibrium, thus potentially circumventing Earnshaw's theorem.
  • There is a discussion about the role of dynamical pressure in IEC, with one participant asserting that this pressure can be used to confine plasma, contrasting it with traditional inertial confinement methods.
  • Some participants express confusion about the nature of IEC and its classification as a confinement method, with differing opinions on its validity.
  • Participants inquire about informative sources on IEC research, indicating a desire for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the applicability of Earnshaw's theorem to IEC, with some arguing that IEC's operational principles allow it to function despite the theorem, while others question its classification as a confinement method.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions and implications of Earnshaw's theorem in relation to IEC, as well as the specific mechanisms by which IEC operates compared to traditional methods of plasma confinement.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying plasma physics, nuclear fusion, or electrostatics, as well as researchers exploring alternative confinement methods in fusion energy.

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Hi all,

I recently read about a Fusor, on wikipedia and to my surprise there has been lots of research going on Inertial Electrostatic Confinement. I actually have a query, I quote from D.J.Griffiths, Electrodynamics Third Edition, pp 115

"Earnshaw's theorem says that electrostatic containment is also out of the question. Fortunately, it is possible to confine a hot plasma magnetically."

I think magnetic confinement was confirmed by Alfven's theorem.
How do you explain the possibility of IEC when its very existence is ruled out by Earnshaw?
 
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Do you know how IEC works? Can you formally state Earnshaw's theorem?
 
Earnshaw's theorem states that a charged particle cannot be held in stable equilibrium by pure electrostatic forces alone. If you have a cube of positive charges you cannot place a positive charge at the center in stable equilibrium.

As far as I can see, my only confusion is that, Griffiths clearly says,

"To harness nuclear fusion as a practical energy source it is necessary to heat the plasma(soup of charged particles) to fantastic temperatures. Earnshaw's theorem states that electrostatic confinement is also out of the question."

Is an IEC more than just what I think it is?
Please help.

Regards,
Boltzmann
 
The answer is in the name IEC... Inertial Electrostatic Confinement.

IEC uses electrostatic forces to accelerate and focus ions into a dense core. The acceleration is key, and it is not a equilibrium process from the particle standpoint. Thus Earnshaw's theorem does not apply.

I think magnetic confinement was confirmed by Alfven's theorem.
Are you talking about the Frozen Flux Theorem? While extremely useful, I would not say that it confirmed magnetic confinement.
 
In that case, it doesn't even qualify to be a confinement method, I suppose.
 
In that case, it doesn't even qualify to be a confinement method, I suppose.

Why do you say that?

The radial beam of ions has a dynamical pressure n_i m_i V_r^2/2 that can be used to confine a plasma.

Inertial confinement concepts rely of this dynamical pressure to confine the plasma.

Traditionally inertial confinement creates the radially directed velocity by ablating the surface of a target pellet. The outer surface heats up and is blown off of the target. Much like a rocket, due to the conservation of momentum this blow off produces a large inward force on the pellet.

Instead of relying on this rocket effect, Inertial Electrostatic confinement uses a potential difference to accelerate ions inwards.

In both cases, it is the same dynamical pressure that supports the high temperature high density core, but the driver mechanism that it in the two cases is very different.
 
Oh. Could you guys please suggest any informative sources about IEC?
 

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