Graduate Hidden Assumptions in Bell's Theorem?

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The discussion centers on the hidden assumptions in Bell's theorem, particularly those proposed by Karl Hess, Hans De Raedt, and Kristel Michielsen, which challenge the theorem's foundational premises, such as the exclusion of time dependence and reliance on real number algebra. Participants express uncertainty about the validity of these claims and their implications for local hidden variables. The conversation also critiques the methodologies of the De Raedt team, arguing that their models fail to account for entangled particles that have never coexisted in a common light cone, thus questioning their local realism. Despite the complexity of the arguments, the consensus leans towards the necessity of nonlocal mechanisms to explain observed correlations in quantum experiments. Overall, the debate highlights ongoing tensions in interpreting quantum mechanics and the implications of Bell's theorem.
  • #331
Nullstein said:
In the no-BSM case, QM predicts that there is no entanglement between 1&4 in the full ensemble
Yes.

Nullstein said:
and that there is an entangled subensemble.
No, QM does not predict this. Cherry picking "predicts" this, but I don't agree that's a valid method.
 
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  • #332
Nullstein said:
This fact follows from the axioms of QM
We've already been over this multiple times. The math is one thing. Claims about what the math means and what math is relevant is another.
 
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