Magnetic confinement and Alfven's theorem

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The discussion revolves around the implications of Alfven's theorem in the context of magnetic confinement of hot plasma, particularly in relation to Earnshaw's theorem and the feasibility of electrostatic confinement. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding plasma behavior in magnetic fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether Alfven's theorem proves that magnetic confinement of hot plasma is achievable.
  • One participant references Griffiths, stating that electric confinement is not possible due to the inability to achieve stable equilibrium with a spatial distribution of charges.
  • Another participant explains that according to Alfven's theorem, magnetic flux becomes 'frozen' within the plasma, suggesting that this property allows for magnetic confinement.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial confusion and elaborates on the concept of frozen flux, asserting that magnetic confinement of hot plasma is indeed achievable, while also noting that this may not be possible when the plasma is not sufficiently warm.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of Alfven's theorem for magnetic confinement. While some assert that magnetic confinement is achievable, others remain skeptical or seek clarification, indicating that the discussion is not fully resolved.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the conditions under which magnetic confinement is possible, particularly concerning the temperature of the plasma and the definitions of stability and equilibrium.

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Hi,

I was reading about Earnshaw's theorem and how it explains the non availability of electrostatic confinement of plasma, but does Alfven's theorem really prove the fact that magnetic confinement of hot plasma is achievable?

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Boltzmann
 
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Hey sankalpmittal,
I was actually reading Griffiths in which he states that electric confinement is not possible since a stable eq condition cannot be achieved by a space distribution of charges. According to alfven's theorem, the magnetic flux gets 'frozen' within the plasma/liquid and hence it acquires some magnetic character. Using this it can be confined.

Please tell me if I am wrong. I am a beginner.


Thanks for your help and time,

Regards,

Boltzmann
 
Boltzmann2012 said:
Hey sankalpmittal,
I was actually reading Griffiths in which he states that electric confinement is not possible since a stable eq condition cannot be achieved by a space distribution of charges. According to alfven's theorem, the magnetic flux gets 'frozen' within the plasma/liquid and hence it acquires some magnetic character. Using this it can be confined.

Please tell me if I am wrong. I am a beginner.


Thanks for your help and time,

Regards,

Boltzmann

Yeah , you're right. Sorry about that huh. I kinda blundered it. :redface:

Ok , so Alfven's theorem states that in a perfectly conducting fluid , magnetic lines move within the fluids and at times (for example in sun which is but a very hot and churning ball of plasma) and when two bobs of plasma are connected by magnetic field at time , then they are also connected by it at all other times , for when fluid is very hot , the electrons from it are stripped off and hence its conducting , and thus the bobs of plasma are always being interacted by magnetic fields and at times , the magnetic fields are distorted and hence are frozen into the plasma. So its also known as "frozen flux theorem". But magnetic "topology" is always preserved.

So yes , the hot plasma can be confined and in other words magnetic confinement of hot plasma is achievable.

This takes place rarely (I think) when plasma isn't warm. (In my opinion its not possible in this case.)

But yes , you're right. Magnetic confinement of hot plasma is achievable by Alfven's theorem.

Hope this helps. :)
 
Thank you very much, sankalpmittal.

Best Wishes and Regards,

Boltzmann
 

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